Crossplay Is the End of Arma

[Taka]

Arma 4 will Never Ever be close to Arma 3 if they continue with Crossplay.

[Balfour]

Originally posted by Khuros:

Originally posted by Taka:

It's all true though prove me wrong chief

What makes you think consoles can't handle it? They handle reforger and much more demanding games.

they cant tho tpm server cant use certain maps because console performs like crap

[Brainspasm]

pro tip: TURN OFF crossplay and enjoy one of the 20 empty rooms left ;)

[Rap/cist]

Originally posted by Taka:

Originally posted by Khuros:

"because i have no idea what i'm talking about"

It's all true though prove me wrong chief

Easy; I have more hours in D2 than you have in every game you've ever played combined. I've spent more time Squad leading in Squad than you have playing video games. Every game I play, I'm good at, including this one; it took me 1 day to get the 500 kill achievement in multiplayer, and I kept going.

Really, the crux of the matter is that I can complain about teammates who are failing, because compared to me, everybody looks like trash; most people crying about "bad teammates" in all the relevant rhetorical ways are not really any better than the people they critique.

I guarantee you, if you actually even tried to play with me, you wouldn't be able to keep up; good people I've played with for several years, across thousands of hours of games like this, still sometimes struggle to keep up. If you could play a match alongside me and not look like a slow loser, you'd be the first person to do so. I'm betting you aren't the miracle you think you are.

Trying to frame skill issues along platform lines is dumb, because as I said before, I actually cannot tell the difference between a console or pc arma player. If you are actually good (and I don't mean you know how to min/max rush certain points to win a match), you'd understand that most people aren't good, regardless of platform.

I've never attacked anyone for being a bad performer in a game, not to their face, until they begin to try to criticize me for something they don't understand. I absolutely can and will harass someone once they open that can of worms, but I will NEVER respect a nerd loser who makes a mountain out of their mole-hill skill level.

I think it's dope to have more lootbags walking around my matches, and I've been extremely surprised in a good way to see maxed out server queues constantly (despite recent backend issues); crying about Reforger reaching a larger player base without sacrificing gameplay mechanics is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nerd behavior, period.

[DeRpSicKle]

Originally posted by stburr91:

You can be certain that Arma 4 is going to be multi platform, and cross play just like reforger, people just need to except it.

*Accept...*

[Rap/cist]

Originally posted by stburr91:

You can be certain that Arma 4 is going to be multi platform, and cross play just like reforger, people just need to except it.

If "crossplay" means "aiming straight, good movement, and good performance," I'm here for it; I've had arma 3 since it came out, and I have 500 hours in the editor, and 100 in warlords. I've probably spent more time browsing mods for arma 3 than even playing the game, which really says it all.

It's for that reason that I basically wrote Reforger off as trash, because the previous Arma games were actually so bad for every reason possible. I'm glad I gave this game a fourth shot (I refunded 3 times), and am now really enjoying what Bohemia has created. The last thing I want to see is those Czech clowns bend to the will of elitist milsimers who will never actually do the things they "simulate" (except maybe against some goat herders in some irrelevant stan somewhere, so brave.)

This is a fun game because it does what games like Squad, Tarkov and Foxhole have pushed toward previously: a game with a simple conquest objective scheme, which allows you to move, shoot, loot, plan, extract and execute missions dynamically. Arma Reforger makes all of those things simple and fun to do. That is what makes it different from every other Arma game before: Reforger is actually a game!

There are a few things I find really tiring, like people eating more than 2 bullets to the chest, or exploding on a tree stump because the server lagged at the wrong time, and so on, but nothing is perfect, and as far as I can tell, the devs actively want to change at least some of these issues.

Reforger is a great step in the right direction, not for this series, but for RTS gaming; the skill of first person combined with the strategic and tactical mind game of a traditional RTS game is what gaming has been pushing toward for a long time, despite all the copy/paste trash from the AAA trend chasers of the last decade, and I'm glad to see that there is a game that takes several good ideas from different games to the next level.

If Bohemia can do this, and introduce people on consoles to this evolution, that is just damn cool; being upset about that is just nerd behavior.

[Rick James Bish]

It is already evident. Crossplay means they had to choose hosting that was not well established and protected, because Crossplay does not work on Steam. This left them open to DDoS attacks. On top of that, 3 different platforms means potential for 3x the bugs.

Cro$$play is a plu$ for the developers, not the gamers.

[Maniowar]

Originally posted by Taka:

Arma 4 will Never Ever be close to Arma 3 if they continue with Crossplay.

Amen to that broder!

[Maniowar]

Originally posted by Rick James Bish:

It is already evident. Crossplay means they had to choose hosting that was not well established and protected, because Crossplay does not work on Steam. This left them open to DDoS attacks. On top of that, 3 different platforms means potential for 3x the bugs.

Cro$$play is a plu$ for the developers, not the gamers.

I cant even play SP with mods because of the new system. I have them in my folder. Even so SP sucks compared to arma 3.

I wish they had a pc standalone version with steam support and workshop. Also imo console players arent ready for a milsim, many PS5 players think its a run and gun game.

[Maniowar]

Originally posted by Brainspasm:

pro tip: TURN OFF crossplay and enjoy one of the 20 empty rooms left ;)

Thats because pc players play arma 3 instead. I writing this a friday 12:33 pm and arma 3 has 10.000 players online.

Arma Reforger has 7800 and before the DDOS they had 20.000 players so i used to play with crossplay off without a problem and with full server.

U talking ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about empty servers.

[Maniowar]

Originally posted by Khuros:

Originally posted by Taka:

It's all true though prove me wrong chief

What makes you think consoles can't handle it? They handle reforger and much more demanding games.

They think its a run and gun game like COD or Battlefield. Most of them dont understand what supplys is, and they dont use mic and communicate. TKs is common and votekicks.

[Rap/cist]

Originally posted by Maniowar:

Originally posted by Khuros:

What makes you think consoles can't handle it? They handle reforger and much more demanding games.

They think its a run and gun game like COD or Battlefield. Most of them dont understand what supplys is, and they dont use mic and communicate. TKs is common and votekicks.

I wish more arma players actually used their weapon instead of standing next to the enemy that is gunning me down.

"tks is common and votekicks" yeah, that isn't just console players buddy; the fact that you are crying about supply in a game where logis just spawn all around the map, and there are multiple supply nodes that are infinite tells me your skill level. I bet you dig armories down because they "waste supplies" (you didn't bring). Tell me, what's a bigger waste: putting up an armory on a backline point that maybe 2 people will spawn on and use quickly, or removing the base building after it's been placed? No, you are calling the kettle black.

[Rap/cist]

Originally posted by Squidward:

Originally posted by Maniowar:

They think its a run and gun game like COD or Battlefield. Most of them dont understand what supplys is, and they dont use mic and communicate. TKs is common and votekicks.

I wish more arma players actually used their weapon instead of standing next to the enemy that is gunning me down.

"tks is common and votekicks" yeah, that isn't just console players buddy; the fact that you are crying about supply in a game where logis just spawn all around the map, and there are multiple supply nodes that are infinite tells me your skill level. I bet you dig armories down because they "waste supplies" (you didn't bring). Tell me, what's a bigger waste: putting up an armory on a backline point that maybe 2 people will spawn on and use quickly, or removing the base building after it's been placed? No, you are calling the kettle black.

I have to reiterate how much I hate arma players;

We were defending Military Hospital for about 2 hours straight, constant rpg sniper infiltration teams pulling up. A couple teammates kept sneaking up to the middle of the east hillside, going prone in the bushes looking back into our point, and shooting. I ended up teamkilling people in that spot 3 times. They would respawn and say, "man, those are friendlies up there, we are providing 'overwatch'.") No sympathy, I won't apologize for those teamkills because they are actually braindead.

At one point, an rpg from either side of their bushes flew into the point, wasting yet another of our helis. 2 seconds before I wasted one of them, I WATCHED his tracers (lmfao) fly into the pier area of the point; I promise you, if they are that deep, the 15 people in the point can handle that. Don't look like the enemy and then complain when you get fragged.

These are not console players btw, these are "arma players;" you can tell because they use the uber cool tacticool words like "providing overwatch." Yeah, I hope I don't have to say that they didn't kill anybody worth a damn up there; I had to kill multiple enemies in their bush.

The problem with arma players is that they think strategy and tactics does not involve individual skill, and they are wrong; if a soldier can "run and gun" to clear out a point, then power to them. 99% of people can't do that because the enemy is going to be dug in, waiting for them, and the assaulter is not quick enough to find and destroy the enemy before they get killed; it's not because "they didn't use the right codewords and go into the workspace and move tactically!", it's because the enemy was ready for it. By that same thread, if you know the enemy is not ready, you better take initiative. I'm successful more than not because of this understanding; arma players usually can't comprehend this, which is why they lose.

It's extremely ironic that console plebs that haven't been poisoned by "tactical" gaming are better shooters than these arma players; give me a choice, and I'll lead a squad of ps5 players over arma players ANY day; they'll actually give some effort to listen and fight, instead of trying to fact check me in the gunfight with their military manual they treat as Scripture.

Almost every person trying to teamkill me, which I've addressed over the radio to tell them to check fire, has not been a console player.

I hate how trash game devs have ruined what "hardcore" means; my biggest gripe with this game is that people don't die in 1 shot. Between the server lag, and probably the recent backend issues, people just EAT mags for breakfast. I am pretty tired of finishing a mag before the enemy has even reacted to the direction of fire, just to not have enough bullets for the second moron right next to him, even though I tapped the first guy 6 times in the head. It's almost exclusively a US issues though, so that's just how it is.

Arma players are some of the worst gamers out there, because they've had 12 years of Arma 3 to teach them that "tactical" means "slow, janky trash gameplay against braindead ai bots." Good on Bohemia for rectifying this grave mistake now, but holy moly.

[ExpldingCarp]

I started playing this on console and moved to pc its really just your experience with those kinds of players. There's a lot of kids but it's how we get more people into Arma.

[MaDeuce]

Arma 4 cross play consoles.
Arma 5 on mobile devices.

Good news is that there are several milsim shooters on the horizon, so you don't have to settle for Arma-jank anymore.

[stburr91]

Originally posted by MaDeuce:

Arma 4 cross play consoles.
Arma 5 on mobile devices.

Good news is that there are several milsim shooters on the horizon, so you don't have to settle for Arma-jank anymore.

What milsim shooters are coming out in the future?