Why is this less popular than Arma 3?

[idk]

What do you feel is missing from the game, why is this less popular than Arma 3? Maybe there are not as many assets as the earlier game, but for me this runs so much better than Arma 3 and feels more fluid.

I don't really understand why isn't this at the same popularity level as Arma 3, I'm curious about people opinion on this.

[leon44gamer]

Less popular? Arma Reforger has double if not tripple the playercounts then Arma 3 combining consoles. Just the fact alone that Arma 3 was never available to consoles makes it already less exposed.

Only thing I prefer Arma 3 for is organized PVE missions as these are not quite feasible for Reforger, other than that Reforger is many things better and smoother.

[idk]

Originally posted by leon44gamer:

Less popular? Arma Reforger has double if not tripple the playercounts then Arma 3 combining consoles. Just the fact alone that Arma 3 was never available to consoles makes it already less exposed.

Only thing I prefer Arma 3 for is organized PVE missions as these are not quite feasible for Reforger, other than that Reforger is many things better and smoother.

According to Steam stats, even now, Arma 3 has more players than Arma Reforger, and I looked at player counts through the week, it's been the same. Arma 3 is constantly having more steam players than Arma Reforger. Yet I find Arma Reforger better, so that's why I ask as I'm curious why some people prefer Arma 3.

[Sgt. Osiris]

How about the simple fact Arma 3 has 10 years of modded content? You also seem to be stuck on comparing the Steam player numbers. Why do player count numbers even matter if you have people to play with. They've given us the daily numbers for Arma Reforger, Xbox & Playstation combined numbers are about the same as PC so that makes the player count of Reforger double that Arma 3's, so Reforger is more popular, right? Why does it matter? People play what they want to play.

[LostRealist]

Because ArmA 3 has been around for over a decade, it has had a lot of time to build not only a very large following but also an incredible amount and quality of custom content that Reforger is very, very far from being able to provide. It's much more of a complete game than Reforger, obviously.

It's also very different and appeals to a different niche I would say. Reforger currently is much more FPS-centered than ArmA 3, which just overall plays much slower, also thanks to the vast amount of additional complexity it has. Quite bluntly, if I want to play what I personally consider a "milsim" experience, I'm not playing Reforger. ArmA 3 simply remains unbeaten in many aspects of simulating a battlefield.

Also, there's only a limited amount of teenagers making noises into a microphone and unfriendly friendly rockets I can take before I'll rather just hit some AI on Arma 3 instead, honestly.

[idk]

Originally posted by LostRealist:

Because ArmA 3 has been around for over a decade, it has had a lot of time to build not only a very large following but also an incredible amount and quality of custom content that Reforger is very, very far from being able to provide. It's much more of a complete game than Reforger, obviously.

It's also very different and appeals to a different niche I would say. Reforger currently is much more FPS-centered than ArmA 3, which just overall plays much slower, also thanks to the vast amount of additional complexity it has. Quite bluntly, if I want to play what I personally consider a "milsim" experience, I'm not playing Reforger. ArmA 3 simply remains unbeaten in many aspects of simulating a battlefield.

Also, there's only a limited amount of teenagers making noises into a microphone and unfriendly friendly rockets I can take before I'll rather just hit some AI on Arma 3 instead, honestly.

I'm intrigued, why do you consider Arma 3 being more Milsim and Reforger being more arcadey? I find Reforger better at this, it has a better comms system, better health system, better maps. It just lacks certain assets which obviously will get with time but I feel Reforger has a more in depth system than Arma 3, what am I missing from Arma 3?

[idk]

Originally posted by Sgt. Osiris:

How about the simple fact Arma 3 has 10 years of modded content? You also seem to be stuck on comparing the Steam player numbers. Why do player count numbers even matter if you have people to play with. They've given us the daily numbers for Arma Reforger, Xbox & Playstation combined numbers are about the same as PC so that makes the player count of Reforger double that Arma 3's, so Reforger is more popular, right? Why does it matter? People play what they want to play.

Yes but your comparison is not valid because if you would have released Arma 3 on consoles too, by that logic Arma 3 would still win since it currently dominates steam stats we can assume it would have dominated consoles too.

It matters to some people because no one would want to invest so much time in a game that would die not long in the future, it's a matter of perspective, makes me feel that I'm loosing my time to learn a game if it will die out in a year for example. But in the end I was just curious about what other people think, if they feel Arma 3 is better than Reforger and if yes, then why.

[Cornbread With Salsa]

Originally posted by idk:

Originally posted by leon44gamer:

Less popular? Arma Reforger has double if not tripple the playercounts then Arma 3 combining consoles. Just the fact alone that Arma 3 was never available to consoles makes it already less exposed.

Only thing I prefer Arma 3 for is organized PVE missions as these are not quite feasible for Reforger, other than that Reforger is many things better and smoother.

According to Steam stats, even now, Arma 3 has more players than Arma Reforger, and I looked at player counts through the week, it's been the same. Arma 3 is constantly having more steam players than Arma Reforger. Yet I find Arma Reforger better, so that's why I ask as I'm curious why some people prefer Arma 3.

This isn't true at all reforger consistently has more players (by a small margin, but its still more) not even considering the people playing on xbox and ps5. I mean, you can believe this if you want but its not true.

[idk]

Originally posted by Cornbread With Salsa:

Originally posted by idk:

According to Steam stats, even now, Arma 3 has more players than Arma Reforger, and I looked at player counts through the week, it's been the same. Arma 3 is constantly having more steam players than Arma Reforger. Yet I find Arma Reforger better, so that's why I ask as I'm curious why some people prefer Arma 3.

This isn't true at all reforger consistently has more players (by a small margin, but its still more) not even considering the people playing on xbox and ps5. I mean, you can believe this if you want but its not true.

Sure there are days where Refoger has more playes I'm not denying that but for the past 3 days I've seen Arma 3 consistently having more according to steam stats for both (not considering consoles as Arma 3 is not released there), so was curious what other people think, thanks for your input

[LostRealist]

Originally posted by idk:

I'm intrigued, why do you consider Arma 3 being more Milsim and Reforger being more arcadey? I find Reforger better at this, it has a better comms system, better health system, better maps. It just lacks certain assets which obviously will get with time but I feel Reforger has a more in depth system than Arma 3, what am I missing from Arma 3?

When you put me on the spot like this, it's kinda hard to pin down. And honestly, the comparison I draw might be a little unfair because of the imbalance in available mods.

I think for me personally, movement plays a big part, maybe the biggest. Arma 3 feels more... cumbersome. Like I'm slopping an actual meatbag with bones in it around. Not being able to stop on a dime or strafe around like crazy, then stand still for a second and fire an accurate shot, not jumping around, it all feels more real to me and it significantly alters the way you have to play. I reckon to a lot of people what I'm describing is just ArmA 3 controls being "clunky" or whatever, but to me it's a massive immersion factor. Everything is just harder to do, which is not a great way of putting it but it's the best I can come up with right now. It slows down gameplay and rewards thinking before doing more than I feel Reforger does, which I feel rewards FPS skills like peeking, quickscoping and all sorts of movement shenanigans more than Arma 3 did.
Obviously I also like furnished interiors and thick brush clutter all over the place and I do enjoy HD graphics and all the bells and whistles that the newer generation engine allows for, which is why I didn't say I don't have a good time playing Reforger but you know, your mileage may just vary on most of these points.

Also, you know... tanks, artillery, airplanes... generally, there's so many ways you can play Arma 3. Way, way more than Reforger (currently) has to offer, which is another big thing that's keeping me around.

[Bulbous]

Probably because simple people don't appreciate the era in which Reforger is set. This is way better than modern trash.

[GirthQuake]

Arma 3 is more established and has more mod content to keep it relevant outside of the game.

You have multiple DLCs some with decent game modes like Mike Force, where reforger only has a handful of standout mods, which are sometimes available in some form on Arma 3, such as RHS.


That and Reforger never really recovered from its image from release. At release with the game being filled with connection issues making it impossible to play for a hour at a time, and the content being minimal, it got a bad reputation for its price. Also the issue of who was this game for. Arma fans into realism felt the game was too arcade like, while players who are new too Arma started to like the new style of mislim lite, making a split in the community, having a issue of Who was this game for?

The game for the most part is pretty casual, systems are simplistic, and conflict for all intent and purposes plays like Battlefield with little coordination,and at best like squad(where some squads do coordinate).

When console support was release that split grew, to the point this game suffers from tribalism, if you said anything nice/positive about console side of the game or players you were clearly the problem with the game and know nothing about Arma. This sentiment grew to the point any video discussing Arma Reforger there will be a comment thread about console players regardless if mentioned in the video.

Thats why I stopped playing, got tired of "everything wrong with the game is console players fault not mine" mentality, and the side of the devs limiting the sandbox by adding systems to the game to restrict certain aspects. I don't mind if these were optional settings for custom servers, but I dont like making those that are optional are going to be enabled by default for official servers. My milsim sandbox shouldn't be limited for how people play.

[d’Artagnan]

Arma 3 30 day average: 9,219.6
Arma reforger 30 day average: 9,788.1

No idea what you've been looking at but it wasn't right. Now factor in console players and realise you can now delete your thread, thank you.

[Beckert]

Originally posted by idk:

Originally posted by leon44gamer:

Less popular? Arma Reforger has double if not tripple the playercounts then Arma 3 combining consoles. Just the fact alone that Arma 3 was never available to consoles makes it already less exposed.

Only thing I prefer Arma 3 for is organized PVE missions as these are not quite feasible for Reforger, other than that Reforger is many things better and smoother.

According to Steam stats, even now, Arma 3 has more players than Arma Reforger, and I looked at player counts through the week, it's been the same. Arma 3 is constantly having more steam players than Arma Reforger. Yet I find Arma Reforger better, so that's why I ask as I'm curious why some people prefer Arma 3.

3/4 of player count in arma 3 is MILSIM (I was this player for 5 year).
Arma reforger is cool but give the time for make mod and content.

I see a lot of player who say arma reforger too casual... I have played MILSIM 5 year and not, arma reforge are just more friendly and more complex....
Arma 3 is complex because we play with MOD (don't forget that)
Arma reforger, we have a basic incorporate ACE module.... Not in arma 3.
We have a basic radio (Short and long)
We have basic Medical (not in arma)
I can continue... I confirm reforger is more complex VANILLA Game

Arma reforger are more complex than arma 3 (VANILLA game) and are more smooth/fluid (modern game)
Now the most important for arma reforger this is the community of modder, and they come slowly but sure


ps: I have buy arma reforger last day, i have maked two year for switch ARMA3 => ARMA reforger. It's logic, when you play a organised PVE operation and PVP with 10 year of content since some year in game, you don't switch easily ^^


sry for my english^^

[LostRealist]

Originally posted by Beckert:

Arma reforger are more complex than arma 3 (VANILLA game)

Nah mate, that's just not true. Not because of ACE or medical, which, I would argue, currently don't create a whole lot of depth in Reforger anyway and are very, very optional. Lie around for five minutes while a teammate tries to maybe rescue me or respawn in 5 seconds? Meh...

[Cornbread With Salsa]

Originally posted by idk:

Originally posted by Cornbread With Salsa:

This isn't true at all reforger consistently has more players (by a small margin, but its still more) not even considering the people playing on xbox and ps5. I mean, you can believe this if you want but its not true.

Sure there are days where Refoger has more playes I'm not denying that but for the past 3 days I've seen Arma 3 consistently having more according to steam stats for both (not considering consoles as Arma 3 is not released there), so was curious what other people think, thanks for your input

Your wrong on both fronts reforger has a higher 30 day average and console most definitely counts since reforger is crossplay between all platforms. Your telling me you boot up arma 3 and are able to get into a multiplayer game and have fun easier than in reforger? I dont get the argument?