ArmA 4 - Back to Chernarus ?

[North_Dumpling]

So here are few things that are factually confirmed by developers, FAQ or in-game information:

• ArmA Reforger/4 is canon to the rest of ArmA Universe
  
• During Reforger story/training its stated "Cant tell you more than on AAN...SNAFU...capturing Arland airbase gave boys on Everon a reprieve"
  
• Reforger was started as ArmA 4
  
• No retconning of existing lore

So the only reason they turned it into ArmA Reforger instead of keeping it as ArmA 4 is because they wanted to avoid same clunky launch previous games had, but regardless it means that Reforger story is part of ArmA4.

According to Chekov's gun you only mention certain subjects if you intend on using them. Bohemia devs arent stupid, they know what they are doing and Europe mentioned means ArmA 4 goes back to Europe.

And since historical context is the same in Reforger/4, what event happened close to 1989? Thats right.
In 1991 Chernarus gains independence after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
What happens during dissolution for the USSR? A war, and likely one that started after rising hostilities in 1989/1990.
So if you think about it, the OFP Status Quo reuinion in 1991 wasnt tied to OFP 1985 conflict, it was tied to 1989.

That is the only possible way you can add up to the existing Armaverse without retconning parts of already established lore.

• 1989 - What is going on in Europe is SNAFU
  
• 1989 - Capturing Arland airbase gave boys on Everon a reprieve
  
• 1985-1989(Autumn) - Angelina Malevich monument built on Kolgujev
  
• 1991 - Chernarus gains its independence after the dissolution of the Soviet Union
  
• 1991- Buddies from 1985 conflict - James Gastovski, David Armstrong, Sam Nichols and Robert Hammer - meet back on Everon after many years.

Bridge the gap of 1989 and 1991. What do we have? If A4 events take place post Kolgujev which is autumn 1989, then we are indeed going to fight in 1990.

[Aqueox]

So basically Arma 4 will be a poor successor to Arma 3, and will be a combination of Reforger and DayZ.

Can't say I'm hyped in any way.

[stburr91]

I do think Arma 4 will be set sometime in the 1990's, but I doubt they will go back to Chernarus.

People would be p*ssed if they make Arma 4 just another rehash of an old Arma game.

[C.Martin]

Messaggio originale di stburr91:

I do think Arma 4 will be set sometime in the 1990's, but I doubt they will go back to Chernarus.

People would be p*ssed if they make Arma 4 just another rehash of an old Arma game.

they need to go back to their roots but not be a complete rehash i will say i never really was attached to a3 compared to my attachment to a2 and reforager

[North_Dumpling]

Messaggio originale di stburr91:

I do think Arma 4 will be set sometime in the 1990's, but I doubt they will go back to Chernarus.

People would be p*ssed if they make Arma 4 just another rehash of an old Arma game.

But nobody said anything about rehashing tho?

[Ajax]

Messaggio originale di North_Dumpling:

So here are few things that are factually confirmed by developers, FAQ or in-game information:

• ArmA Reforger/4 is canon to the rest of ArmA Universe
  
• During Reforger story/training its stated "Cant tell you more than on AAN...SNAFU...capturing Arland airbase gave boys on Everon a reprieve"
  
• Reforger was started as ArmA 4
  
• No retconning of existing lore

So the only reason they turned it into ArmA Reforger instead of keeping it as ArmA 4 is because they wanted to avoid same clunky launch previous games had, but regardless it means that Reforger story is part of ArmA4.

According to Chekov's gun you only mention certain subjects if you intend on using them. Bohemia devs arent stupid, they know what they are doing and Europe mentioned means ArmA 4 goes back to Europe.

And since historical context is the same in Reforger/4, what event happened close to 1989? Thats right.
In 1991 Chernarus gains independence after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
What happens during dissolution for the USSR? A war, and likely one that started after rising hostilities in 1989/1990.
So if you think about it, the OFP Status Quo reuinion in 1991 wasnt tied to OFP 1985 conflict, it was tied to 1989.

That is the only possible way you can add up to the existing Armaverse without retconning parts of already established lore.

• 1989 - What is going on in Europe is SNAFU
  
• 1989 - Capturing Arland airbase gave boys on Everon a reprieve
  
• 1985-1989(Autumn) - Angelina Malevich monument built on Kolgujev
  
• 1991 - Chernarus gains its independence after the dissolution of the Soviet Union
  
• 1991- Buddies from 1985 conflict - James Gastovski, David Armstrong, Sam Nichols and Robert Hammer - meet back on Everon after many years.

Bridge the gap of 1989 and 1991. What do we have? If A4 events take place post Kolgujev which is autumn 1989, then we are indeed going to fight in 1990.

nice one dude

[Socrates]

Arma 4 terrain *highly* likely is just Nogova remake because it seems that it was teased along with the main musical theme (Arma 4 - The Last Man) for the game during anniversary concert:
https://www.youtube.com/live/cC-uT5rc9HQ?si=rx914D1hw4Zs9-X_&t=6246

[North_Dumpling]

Messaggio originale di Socrates:

Arma 4 terrain *highly* likely is just Nogova remake because it seems that it was teased along with the main musical theme (Arma 4 - The Last Man) for the game during anniversary concert:
https://www.youtube.com/live/cC-uT5rc9HQ?si=rx914D1hw4Zs9-X_&t=6246

Well I did mention Nogova a while ago actually based on my own research, but I am still skeptical about it.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1874880/discussions/0/552359350148093285/#c552359478871213095

[Aqueox]

Messaggio originale di Socrates:

Arma 4 terrain *highly* likely is just Nogova remake because it seems that it was teased along with the main musical theme (Arma 4 - The Last Man) for the game during anniversary concert:
https://www.youtube.com/live/cC-uT5rc9HQ?si=rx914D1hw4Zs9-X_&t=6246

If it's just a Nogova remake I think people are gonna be pissed.

This new engine seems oddly limiting... IDK. You'd think 10 years after Arma 3 we'd see something like 100x100km terrains, good AI, and so on. More than a "tech demo" which really seems like a beta for Arma 4.

I just keep getting this feeling, like with every other game that releases now, it's going to be underwhelming and just not all that great.

[North_Dumpling]

Messaggio originale di Aqueox:

Messaggio originale di Socrates:

Arma 4 terrain *highly* likely is just Nogova remake because it seems that it was teased along with the main musical theme (Arma 4 - The Last Man) for the game during anniversary concert:
https://www.youtube.com/live/cC-uT5rc9HQ?si=rx914D1hw4Zs9-X_&t=6246

If it's just a Nogova remake I think people are gonna be pissed.

This new engine seems oddly limiting... IDK. You'd think 10 years after Arma 3 we'd see something like 100x100km terrains, good AI, and so on. More than a "tech demo" which really seems like a beta for Arma 4.

I just keep getting this feeling, like with every other game that releases now, it's going to be underwhelming and just not all that great.

To be fair 100x100km is of no use if they arent detailed and more interactive.
If they do Nogova justice, then its a fair deal.
Besides you need to remember Nogova has several islands of various sizes near it, so they might ship it with those additional ones if bigger scale is needed.

[stburr91]

Messaggio originale di Aqueox:

Messaggio originale di Socrates:

Arma 4 terrain *highly* likely is just Nogova remake because it seems that it was teased along with the main musical theme (Arma 4 - The Last Man) for the game during anniversary concert:
https://www.youtube.com/live/cC-uT5rc9HQ?si=rx914D1hw4Zs9-X_&t=6246

If it's just a Nogova remake I think people are gonna be pissed.

This new engine seems oddly limiting... IDK. You'd think 10 years after Arma 3 we'd see something like 100x100km terrains, good AI, and so on. More than a "tech demo" which really seems like a beta for Arma 4.

I just keep getting this feeling, like with every other game that releases now, it's going to be underwhelming and just not all that great.

Yes, a lot of people are going to be very unhappy if Arma 4 isn't something new, and fresh.

I completely agree with you, I'm hoping for a terrain that is at least the size of Altis in A4, but with how lacking reforger is, I don't have much hope for Arma 4. Hopefully BI comes through, and A4 is way better than reforger.

[LostRealist]

I'm not sure how "lacking" Reforger really is, considering it is in active development. The time frames are the issue I guess, but you'd be welcome to stay on ArmA 3. Which is cool, I also prefer it to Reforger in many ways, but then you did you and buy Reforger in full knowledge of what it is and so did I.

I honestly don't even know what I expect out of Arma 4. I guess more or less a Reforger with the kinks ironed and the functionality and scale brought up to Arma 3.
It's a simulation game after all. How "new and fresh" is reality ever really?

[North_Dumpling]

Messaggio originale di LostRealist:

I'm not sure how "lacking" Reforger really is, considering it is in active development. The time frames are the issue I guess, but you'd be welcome to stay on ArmA 3. Which is cool, I also prefer it to Reforger in many ways, but then you did you and buy Reforger in full knowledge of what it is and so did I.

I honestly don't even know what I expect out of Arma 4. I guess more or less a Reforger with the kinks ironed and the functionality and scale brought up to Arma 3.
It's a simulation game after all. How "new and fresh" is reality ever really?

I just treat ArmA 4 as OFP 2. And its nice to return to those islands for a sequel. We already have Everon with Kolgujev coming to Reforger soon.

[Turd King]

https://bisimulations.com/products/vbs4

[Bulbous]

I could care less about Arma4. Just keep developing Reforger. Once we have tanks, then we'll have something awesome.