Body Armor ballistic calculations needs rework

[Lord Tomiak]

I love that bohemia tries to put usable body armor in game, but there is no way, that 6b2 armor should make you survive .308 shot directly or PASGT vest eating up 5.45x39 like it's candy. What are your ideas about body armor system in the game?

[dan]

i think they need to make it .50 resistant too, i mean it's just total bs i can get one shot by a machinegun!!!!

[Ivan]

Escrito originalmente por dan:

i think they need to make it .50 resistant too, i mean it's just total bs i can get one shot by a machinegun!!!!

Bruh I hate the AI desync ive seen them eat .50 bmg without flinching and just continue walking like nothing happened

[DigDog]

Yeah, the armor makes no sense.

[makisekurisufcker]

I think to many people would throw a hissy fit due to the serious imbalance of a 6b2 being able to rounds of 5.56 but the PASGT will not stop anything other than shrapnel and maybe a 9mm round.

[dan]

Escrito originalmente por GunSlinginOtaku:

I think to many people would throw a hissy fit due to the serious imbalance of a 6b2 being able to rounds of 5.56 but the PASGT will not stop anything other than shrapnel and maybe a 9mm round.

There's definitely a difference in protection between the PASGT and 6B2 vest in-game.
The helmet for example I've gotten knocked out instead of being killed by 5.45 hitting a PASGT helmet, the SSh-68 can't really do that. The vest on the other hand sucks, the Soviet vests all have metal plates meanwhile the PASGT is just kevlar so it makes sense it wouldn't be as good. I think having the best helmet is a good trade off for only having a flak jacket to go with it.

[Lord Tomiak]

Escrito originalmente por dan:

Escrito originalmente por GunSlinginOtaku:

I think to many people would throw a hissy fit due to the serious imbalance of a 6b2 being able to rounds of 5.56 but the PASGT will not stop anything other than shrapnel and maybe a 9mm round.

There's definitely a difference in protection between the PASGT and 6B2 vest in-game.
The helmet for example I've gotten knocked out instead of being killed by 5.45 hitting a PASGT helmet, the SSh-68 can't really do that. The vest on the other hand sucks, the Soviet vests all have metal plates meanwhile the PASGT is just kevlar so it makes sense it wouldn't be as good. I think having the best helmet is a good trade off for only having a flak jacket to go with it.

The penetration calculations are all over the place. As a Russian my steel SSh-68 survived direct hit with M16A2 while my PASGT as American ate one 5.54 and I got knocked out. I like that game tries to be fair and accurate with armors, but the calculations are just all over teh place. Also, 6b2 nor 6b3 is not steel plated. 6b2 is Kevlar and 6b3 has titanium alloy

[dan]

Escrito originalmente por Lord Tomiak:

Escrito originalmente por dan:

There's definitely a difference in protection between the PASGT and 6B2 vest in-game.
The helmet for example I've gotten knocked out instead of being killed by 5.45 hitting a PASGT helmet, the SSh-68 can't really do that. The vest on the other hand sucks, the Soviet vests all have metal plates meanwhile the PASGT is just kevlar so it makes sense it wouldn't be as good. I think having the best helmet is a good trade off for only having a flak jacket to go with it.

The penetration calculations are all over the place. As a Russian my steel SSh-68 survived direct hit with M16A2 while my PASGT as American ate one 5.54 and I got knocked out. I like that game tries to be fair and accurate with armors, but the calculations are just all over teh place. Also, 6b2 nor 6b3 is not steel plated. 6b2 is Kevlar and 6b3 has titanium alloy

The 6B2 does actually have titanium plates, not just kevlar.

[terrorbob238]

atleast followup shots are usually lethal with most things
and headshots are consistent

[Andy Mil]

the ai got buff up armor. I shot my team by accidently on body and it usually one tap they died or they fall over but ai? take 3 shot and they ONLY FALL OVER SOMETIME IF IT NOT FATAL SHOT when I steal and test their armor i still easily shot dead

[Russian_Turtles]

None of the body armor in the game is rifle rated. They might stop the occasional 9mm, but they shouldn't be stopping rifle rounds within 300m period. They shouldn't be able to stop or even reduce the damage of .308/7.62x54r period.

[dan]

Escrito originalmente por Russian_Turtles:

None of the body armor in the game is rifle rated. They might stop the occasional 9mm, but they shouldn't be stopping rifle rounds within 300m period. They shouldn't be able to stop or even reduce the damage of .308/7.62x54r period.

The Soviet 6B3 that's in-game was able to stop 7.62x54r from +150m and 5.56x45 from +100m IRL. Yeah, the PASGT, M69, and 6B2 weren't effective against anything but pistol rounds and very long distance rifle rounds, but the 6B3 is an entirely different beast as it's the only actual ballistic vest in-game.

[Lord Tomiak]

Escrito originalmente por dan:

Escrito originalmente por Russian_Turtles:

None of the body armor in the game is rifle rated. They might stop the occasional 9mm, but they shouldn't be stopping rifle rounds within 300m period. They shouldn't be able to stop or even reduce the damage of .308/7.62x54r period.

The Soviet 6B3 that's in-game was able to stop 7.62x54r from +150m and 5.56x45 from +100m IRL. Yeah, the PASGT, M69, and 6B2 weren't effective against anything but pistol rounds and very long distance rifle rounds, but the 6B3 is an entirely different beast as it's the only actual ballistic vest in-game.

Problem starts with which 6B3 variant is in the game. To my knowledge only the titanium plated 6B3 could withstand rifle bullet and those were not really issued en masse

[The double Champ]

I also believe thats often times a SYNC problem, depending on the server performance!
Otherwise I cant explain the amount of ammo the enemy can take is absurd, especially on US side...half a mag from close range....

[Lord Tomiak]

Escrito originalmente por The double Champ:

I also believe thats often times a SYNC problem, depending on the server performance!
Otherwise I cant explain the amount of ammo the enemy can take is absurd, especially on US side...half a mag from close range....

I have serious feeling 5.56x45 has broken ballistics calculation in the game. 6b2 vest ca neat up up to 5 bullets before knocking russian uncon

[dan]

Escrito originalmente por Lord Tomiak:

Escrito originalmente por dan:

The Soviet 6B3 that's in-game was able to stop 7.62x54r from +150m and 5.56x45 from +100m IRL. Yeah, the PASGT, M69, and 6B2 weren't effective against anything but pistol rounds and very long distance rifle rounds, but the 6B3 is an entirely different beast as it's the only actual ballistic vest in-game.

Problem starts with which 6B3 variant is in the game. To my knowledge only the titanium plated 6B3 could withstand rifle bullet and those were not really issued en masse

It's specified within the in-game description of it that it does have titanium plates and is also the most expensive vest. So it would be the 6B3T variant that we have.