Arma Reforger

Arma Reforger

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Solo Cat Collector May 18, 2022 @ 2:37am
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How hard is it to understand?
You managed to get by in life without the ability to read?

This is NOT a demo.
This is the game that serves as a bridge between Arma 3 and 4, and although its main purpose is to test features and eventually implement them in the next game, it is STILL a game that is very much playable currently, and will only get better once BI start updating it regularly.
You are paying to experience the next step in the Arma series, and not to play a full and complete experience, which only Arma 4 is supposed to be.

So I do not really get it how hard it is to scroll through the steam page and read it for yourselves the purpose of Reforger, unless of course you lack the ability to read or/and comprehend, and if that is the case, this post will hopefully clear things up.

Edit: Continue please guys, I am just enjoying the show
Last edited by Solo Cat Collector; May 18, 2022 @ 9:04am
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Niall May 19, 2022 @ 4:09pm 
Originally posted by TYR:
There is a problem of not being able to enter the servers for a total of 14 hours, but there is no update and BI still hasn't made a statement. BI is betraying its own followers.
They release a broken build, into early access, that is stated as a work in progress. You chumps buy it knowing it will be really buggy. Yet you still throw around dumb slurs like they have betrayed the community lol.

You people are special just like mother said so. Just special in a different way.
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BuzzSaw May 19, 2022 @ 4:13pm 
Given that its an early access game that only came out 3 days ago I cant accept it for the most part the way it is. The servers are absolute garbage though. Im yet to complete a game without being kicked and having to rejoin. Often half a dozen times in conflict games.
Niall May 19, 2022 @ 4:14pm 
Originally posted by Tazor:
Originally posted by Bearman:
Most of you guys who are mad did not play arma 3 at launch and it shows.
So because another one of their games used to be trash this one should get a free pass despite being trash? Is that what you are trying to say?

If anything they should get more flak for repeating the same mistakes.
But it's a early pre-alpha build of the game. That is stated in the description on the store page. It's not trash, the server issues will be fixed shortly, then you can move on and moan about how it doesn't have any content, even though it's written in the description as being early access.

You people are mind boggling
REDRUM May 19, 2022 @ 4:15pm 
I think a lot of people get caught up in the hype thanks to media/community bleating about new games... they aren't necessarily paying any attention to the background and/or information around what this title's purpose is... but that's the future generation I guess xD
David May 19, 2022 @ 4:32pm 
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People seem to be missing the point with the arguments about this demo/game/test whatever you want to label it. Let's just go with "Product"

We're not angry at the features, the graphics or anything, in fact, I think all of the mechanics are really good and work really well with eachother. The problem is when the product is advertised as "The next step on the road to Arma 4" and the fact that this product is meant to show what the new enfusion engine can do. It would be a teeny weeny bit annoying if you aren't able to test it despite it being advertised as a testing experience.

Another problem, which is directly linked to the poor servers, is the fact that a lot of people have spent £25 of their own money to test this product and they aren't even able to jump into a match to try it.

There's arguments from one side that "You're buying into early access, expect bugs and issues". Yes, that is to be expected from EA. The problem is not with the label of EA. It is with the state of the product itself that is the problem. It's completely unplayable for the majority of PC players. Yes, issues come from EA but if you can't release a product which allows the players to actually play it in the first place, just delay it, and release it when it's in a playable state.

Another argument - "Do you even know how hard it is to run servers and keep track of real time performance" No, I am not a game developer. But there are thousands of small, indie games, sometimes even developed by 1 person, with functioning, live servers. Bohemia Interactive is a Multi-Million dollar company that employes many, many employees to work on this stuff, yet here it is in a completely unplayable state.

When you buy into an early access product, you 100% understand that that there could be bugs, glitches and unfinished content, but 99.9% of EA products are playable to an extent, whereas this is completely unplayable for a large majority of users. To expand, the majority of these EA products are, again, made by smaller teams of developers but still have a degree of playability to "test" content and features.

Now as a passionate Arma Veteran, I am very excited with Arma Reforged and what it means for the future of Arma, but for me, the buzz is completely killed off by the absolute inability to actually play the product. It is very frustrating that the servers are in this state and there is no excuse from Bohemia for it's diabolical stability.

For instance, when Halo 1,2,3 came out, they had days where everyone in the studio played the product's multiplayer mode and fine tuned the server issues so it would be fit for launch. Yes, the Halo games are full games, however, at the time, Bungie was at the same reputation as Bohemia Interactive is now, probably same in size, if not smaller.

If Bohemia actually did comprehensive stress testing of their servers, they would come to the conclusion that the product is not ready to be marketed and sold for £25.

It seems that many don't realise that this isn't about the development of the product, it's more an issue of Bohemia's overlooking (for lack of a better word) of the potential sustainability of their servers.

TLDR:
Bohemia shouldn't sell a product for £25 and label it as a testing experience when you can't even test it.
Last edited by David; May 19, 2022 @ 4:40pm
Niall May 19, 2022 @ 4:45pm 
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You people are really dumb. ^ this guy above me doesn't understand English.

Early access means you get a build that is not released and is known to be in a buggy mess. The idea of EA is to get thousands of players experiencing issues, bugs, glitches and crashes so that they can be fixed.

I hope BIS ignores you moaners and don't pander to your ridiculous expectations. They have a lot of bug fixing to do and shouldn't wasting time on idiots that don't or won't read what is involved with Early Access titles.
REDRUM May 19, 2022 @ 4:48pm 
Originally posted by Niall:
You people are really dumb. ^ this guy above me doesn't understand English.

Early access means you get a build that is not released and is known to be in a buggy mess. The idea of EA is to get thousands of players experiencing issues, bugs, glitches and crashes so that they can be fixed.

I hope BIS ignores you moaners and don't pander to your ridiculous expectations. They have a lot of bug fixing to do and shouldn't wasting time on idiots that don't or won't read what is involved with Early Access titles.

Here here........ well said
David May 19, 2022 @ 4:52pm 
Originally posted by Niall:
You people are really dumb. ^ this guy above me doesn't understand English.

Early access means you get a build that is not released and is known to be in a buggy mess. The idea of EA is to get thousands of players experiencing issues, bugs, glitches and crashes so that they can be fixed.

I hope BIS ignores you moaners and don't pander to your ridiculous expectations. They have a lot of bug fixing to do and shouldn't wasting time on idiots that don't or won't read what is involved with Early Access titles.

You just completely ignored my post. This Arma Reforged is exactly like buying a new car but then you find out that the dealership you bought it off have lost the keys, so you can't drive your new car.

Maybe instead of insulting people with genuine, justifiable concerns about this product, go play it yourself. Oh wait, you probably can't!

Honestly the blind defence of this is mind boggling. It's like you completely ignored the part where I praised the product for its merits. I'm not hating on the product, i'm hating on the state of it's servers.

Jesus christ it's like you children just resort to insults and meaningless statements to defend something that is unnacceptable.
Shav0 May 19, 2022 @ 4:54pm 
Well i pay to play, you sayit. I cant play a singel match still.
Niall May 19, 2022 @ 5:00pm 
Originally posted by DJ:
Originally posted by Niall:
You people are really dumb. ^ this guy above me doesn't understand English.

Early access means you get a build that is not released and is known to be in a buggy mess. The idea of EA is to get thousands of players experiencing issues, bugs, glitches and crashes so that they can be fixed.

I hope BIS ignores you moaners and don't pander to your ridiculous expectations. They have a lot of bug fixing to do and shouldn't wasting time on idiots that don't or won't read what is involved with Early Access titles.

You just completely ignored my post. This Arma Reforged is exactly like buying a new car but then you find out that the dealership you bought it off have lost the keys, so you can't drive your new car.

Maybe instead of insulting people with genuine, justifiable concerns about this product, go play it yourself. Oh wait, you probably can't!

Honestly the blind defence of this is mind boggling. It's like you completely ignored the part where I praised the product for its merits. I'm not hating on the product, i'm hating on the state of it's servers.

Jesus christ it's like you children just resort to insults and meaningless statements to defend something that is unnacceptable.
Early Access means you get to play a broken and buggy pre-alpha build of the game. The idea is a small development team won't experience the same issues as thousands of players. So they released this ever so early version, almost content-less with the new engine.

Do you know what it's working. Upon release they realised the networking is not up to speed.

Everything is as it should be since this is a testing bug finding early access title. it's not supposed to work. You people are literally complaining about a game that is in the state it is intended. You paid for early access, not a game.

Everything is fine. The game is working as intended., and it is intended to break. Go test the game. Instead of complaining on the forums you got ripped off how about writing something constructive on the BIS forums in their bug tracker?
Last edited by Niall; May 19, 2022 @ 5:02pm
David May 19, 2022 @ 5:05pm 
Originally posted by Niall:
Originally posted by DJ:

You just completely ignored my post. This Arma Reforged is exactly like buying a new car but then you find out that the dealership you bought it off have lost the keys, so you can't drive your new car.

Maybe instead of insulting people with genuine, justifiable concerns about this product, go play it yourself. Oh wait, you probably can't!

Honestly the blind defence of this is mind boggling. It's like you completely ignored the part where I praised the product for its merits. I'm not hating on the product, i'm hating on the state of it's servers.

Jesus christ it's like you children just resort to insults and meaningless statements to defend something that is unnacceptable.
Early Access means you get to play a broken and buggy pre-alpha build of the game. The idea is a small development team won't experience the same issues as thousands of players. So they released this ever so early version, almost content-less with the new engine.

Do you know what it's working. Upon release they realised the networking is not up to speed.

Everything is as it should be since this is a testing bug finding early access title. it's not supposed to work. You people are *****.

Everything is fine. The game is working as intended., and it is intended to break. Go test the game. Instead of complaining on the forums you got ripped off how about writing something constructive on the BIS forums in their bug tracker?

You're really not getting this are you. HOW are we meant to test the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game if you can't play it.

"Realised that their networking is not up to speed" Do you hear how stupid that sounds? How on earth could they not anticipate thousands of players jumping on this game when they have thousands of hardcore players across Arma 2 and Arma 3 who have been looking forward to a new Arma experience for years.

I can't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ say constructive things when I can't play the game, get it? Oh my god man I can't believe this ♥♥♥♥.
Niall May 19, 2022 @ 5:12pm 
Originally posted by DJ:
Originally posted by Niall:
Early Access means you get to play a broken and buggy pre-alpha build of the game. The idea is a small development team won't experience the same issues as thousands of players. So they released this ever so early version, almost content-less with the new engine.

Do you know what it's working. Upon release they realised the networking is not up to speed.

Everything is as it should be since this is a testing bug finding early access title. it's not supposed to work. You people are *****.

Everything is fine. The game is working as intended., and it is intended to break. Go test the game. Instead of complaining on the forums you got ripped off how about writing something constructive on the BIS forums in their bug tracker?

You're really not getting this are you. HOW are we meant to test the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game if you can't play it.

"Realised that their networking is not up to speed" Do you hear how stupid that sounds? How on earth could they not anticipate thousands of players jumping on this game when they have thousands of hardcore players across Arma 2 and Arma 3 who have been looking forward to a new Arma experience for years.

I can't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ say constructive things when I can't play the game, get it? Oh my god man I can't believe this ♥♥♥♥.
You are not getting it either. The networking issues wouldn't have been known to the 300 strong dev team until it went live. it went live yesterday and they discovered that the networking sucks and needs fixing. You see they need thousands of players and that only happened recently. So these issues are exactly what EA is all about.

Bugs, bugs, bugs is what EA is all about. You paying for EA doesn't give you a game, it gives you a build that is being developed into a game. Not being able yo get online is part of that process. Because networking is a part of EA that needs to be fixed and hopefully they do it soon.

Get it now?
David May 19, 2022 @ 5:21pm 
Originally posted by Niall:
Originally posted by DJ:

You're really not getting this are you. HOW are we meant to test the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game if you can't play it.

"Realised that their networking is not up to speed" Do you hear how stupid that sounds? How on earth could they not anticipate thousands of players jumping on this game when they have thousands of hardcore players across Arma 2 and Arma 3 who have been looking forward to a new Arma experience for years.

I can't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ say constructive things when I can't play the game, get it? Oh my god man I can't believe this ♥♥♥♥.
You are not getting it either. The networking issues wouldn't have been known to the 300 strong dev team until it went live. it went live yesterday and they discovered that the networking sucks and needs fixing. You see they need thousands of players and that only happened recently. So these issues are exactly what EA is all about.

Bugs, bugs, bugs is what EA is all about. You paying for EA doesn't give you a game, it gives you a build that is being developed into a game. Not being able yo get online is part of that process. Because networking is a part of EA that needs to be fixed and hopefully they do it soon.

Get it now?

Again, it sounds even more stupid when you say 300+ devs. You say they needed thousands of players, there was absolutely no doubt in anyone's minds that this game would have launched with thousands upon thousands logging in to play. Why did they not prepare the servers for it?

This isn't a bug at all. This is the servers being under-prepared for a very expected large audience.

I got into a server earlier that had just started a match, I logged in, I could hear people but there was no one around, I wait a minute or 2 and everything loads in and then I get kicked. It is the servers failing to keep up with the demand.

Again, I keep asking this stupid question because it baffles me how it wasn't thought of. But how did they not anticipate a large amount of players wanting to play this game?

This isn't about bugs and a broken build as a result of EA, this is entirely the servers and the unbelievable truth that they weren't developed to accomodate a large playerbase, despite the fact that there are large player bases on 2 of their previous games waiting for an experience just like this one.
David May 19, 2022 @ 5:26pm 
And for the record, I know this will be fixed. But the fact of the matter remains that they released it in an unplayable manner, it is still unplayable even after a 600mb update, and we've had no statement from Bohemia acknowledging the issue or that they are even working on it.
Niall May 19, 2022 @ 5:45pm 
Originally posted by DJ:
Originally posted by Niall:
You are not getting it either. The networking issues wouldn't have been known to the 300 strong dev team until it went live. it went live yesterday and they discovered that the networking sucks and needs fixing. You see they need thousands of players and that only happened recently. So these issues are exactly what EA is all about.

Bugs, bugs, bugs is what EA is all about. You paying for EA doesn't give you a game, it gives you a build that is being developed into a game. Not being able yo get online is part of that process. Because networking is a part of EA that needs to be fixed and hopefully they do it soon.

Get it now?

Again, it sounds even more stupid when you say 300+ devs. You say they needed thousands of players, there was absolutely no doubt in anyone's minds that this game would have launched with thousands upon thousands logging in to play. Why did they not prepare the servers for it?

This isn't a bug at all. This is the servers being under-prepared for a very expected large audience.

I got into a server earlier that had just started a match, I logged in, I could hear people but there was no one around, I wait a minute or 2 and everything loads in and then I get kicked. It is the servers failing to keep up with the demand.

Again, I keep asking this stupid question because it baffles me how it wasn't thought of. But how did they not anticipate a large amount of players wanting to play this game?

This isn't about bugs and a broken build as a result of EA, this is entirely the servers and the unbelievable truth that they weren't developed to accomodate a large playerbase, despite the fact that there are large player bases on 2 of their previous games waiting for an experience just like this one.
The server networking is part of the build. It's a new engine, with new problems that wouldn't be known until the network got swamped. It got swamped, they found out, and are working to fix it.

Again why are you people even complaining in here? If you cannot test the game and provide feedback why complain about the game not actually being a game right now (DuH!). You bought into it knowing all the issues with EA. Unless you have been living under a rock. BIS will fix it, and soon, I hope.
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