Why no sorting?

[gamerkuro]

I'm very curious of what went on behind scenes for them to not add a proper sorting method? Especially in the case for Quinn's shop.

It's just...very baffling. I believe this game is suppose to be played multiple times but I had to quit after my second round because the lack of filtering just made potion making so frustrating, especially during the last week.

[Fringehunter7719]

I have the same question.

[Swat Hound]

It is kind of baffling that the game got this far without a better sorting mechanic

Like, did the developers play their own game?

The biggest things this game needs is

Endless mode // New Game +
Sorting options EVERYWHERE

So many quality of life improvements in general.

[Fringehunter7719]

I don't think the game was ready for release. Lack of Sorting, lack of colour blindness options. Bugged core mechanics such as potions getting 5 stars at certain numbers, now patched out, vending machine simply not working, custom orders simply not working, graphical errors, save file storage bugging out.

I really like the game, but as a user experience it's been a real slog.

[Ness Keyhand]

Originally posted by Fringehunter7719:

I don't think the game was ready for release. Lack of Sorting, lack of colour blindness options. Bugged core mechanics such as potions getting 5 stars at certain numbers, now patched out, vending machine simply not working, custom orders simply not working, graphical errors, save file storage bugging out.

I really like the game, but as a user experience it's been a real slog.

I agree on the poor sorting, but on the whole "Getting 1 less magimin than a threshold instantly boosts it to a 5 star brew", it's not a bugged core mechanic, just.. A simple bug, really. (That has been patched out, as you said, so this is good). They also fixed the vending machine (I never had any issues with it in the first place so I can't say anything on that), and custom orders.. Never were an issue for me? I made the potions they asked for, with the traits they asked for, and that was it.
The only slogs I've experienced as a day 1 and onwards player were the timeslot that poof'd away when you went back to the main menu and loaded back after going out, Xid's rank 10 being locked, being able to rank up someone at rank 10 (which would softlock you, but once you know that it's just.. Not an issue anymore, just graphical more than anything else), and the last adventuring zone always resulting in a failure. But I still managed to beat the game quite easily, and nothing really impeded my progress.
The team has been really reactive with the patches, so expect most bugs and basic issues to be squashed soon-ish. For better sorting, and a colorblind mode, we may have to wait a bit longer, though.

[Fringehunter7719]

I'm glad your experience was better than mine, but at least two core mechanics were completely broken when I attempted my first run, which isn't good enough for a full release.

I certainly don't want to be hysterical about anything, the simple solution is just to apply a modicum of patience by ceasing to play for a few days or a week until the game is sorted - and there's no suggestion it won't be.

Nonetheless for a paid consumer product I expect better, in large part based on the pretty substantial amount of games I've played where I haven't encountered anything like so many bugs. Potionomics is in the bottom few percent, at best.

Hopefully next week it will all be sorted.

[Vyna]

I will just throw this out but it could be Quinn's characteristic of "whatever" style, help yourself kinda way. xD
Later on in the game, I will often go the last page in Quinn shop for more powerful ingredient anyhow, part of muscle memory mechanic i think. However in brew stage is quite lacking in sorting exact stuff.

[aesthesia]

While it does feel arguably in-character for Quinn, it's VERY frustrating. It might still have worked if only you could see more items at once -- you could at least rely on visual memory like that, but as it is right now, you just have to scroll through so many pages...

So yeah, strongly agree we need a filter system for Quinn's shop as well.

Also, some buttons for "buy all" and "buy 50%" (or something) when you're trying to buy an ingredient, it's kind of silly having to click on buy 10 times for one thing.

I would also tentatively suggest a "return" option that can only be used during that buying session if you accidentally bought something and then realized later on there was a better version of it in the shop, it's difficult keeping track sometimes. Understandable if that would feel too much hand-hold-y, though.

(+ "remove all" from the cauldron, please, i'm begging)

[parent child bowl]

Originally posted by Vyna:

I will just throw this out but it could be Quinn's characteristic of "whatever" style, help yourself kinda way. xD

Which would be garbage game design.

[TripSin]

No sorting because devs inept my guys

[jopelin.wyde]

Just finished the game and yep, going through the ingredients prolonged my game time by at least 10 hours, lol.

So, the Brew menu already has "IF" filter by the Magimins and by traits, so if you click a specific color it will show you only ingredients that include that specific Magimin type. If you select two Magimin colors it will be like "IF AND IF" and that will show you only ingredients that include both of selected Magimin types. And so on. They should also add "NOT" option, so if you click a Magimin color 3rd time it gets crossed out and you can exclude ingredients so you can have logic like "IF AND IF AND (NOT IF)".

There should also totally be optional sorts by total amount of Magimins and maybe by ingredient type (PLANT, FLOWER, BONE, etc.).

Quinn's shop should have all of that or at least some of that. And as other people here wrote: buttons for buying in bulk is a MUST.

Would also be good to have some sort of Favorite Potions book, so you can mark the needed ingredients and just click the Favorited potion and add them instead writing stuff on paper and then going back and forth through catalogue to find all the ingredients.

The favorites and advanced sorting are absolutely necessary in the late game, because I already know what ingredients and proportions I need, but I have more than three hundred ingredients to go through. It's annoying and I'd rather hang out with characters or play haggle.

You could even make adding favorites or sorting advanced events like Luna giving you an organiser notebook as a present or the Owl teaching you how to sort better when the amount of ingredients you have go over 100 or something.

[HellSlayer]

You sort by negative and positive senses
You sort by a b c d e.

You can sort by a combination of letters like a c or cde.. any combination..

[Fringehunter7719]

Originally posted by HellSlayer:

You sort by negative and positive senses
You sort by a b c d e.

You can sort by a combination of letters like a c or cde.. any combination..

That's filtering. Sorting is reorganizing the order in which items appear.

[BigBadBear]

Originally posted by HellSlayer:

You sort by negative and positive senses
You sort by a b c d e.

You can sort by a combination of letters like a c or cde.. any combination..

You can only do that in your own inventory I think. You can't (as far as I can tell) apply any of this filtering while shopping at Quinn's.

[gamerkuro]

Originally posted by HellSlayer:

You sort by negative and positive senses
You sort by a b c d e.

You can sort by a combination of letters like a c or cde.. any combination..

Originally posted by Fringehunter7719:

Originally posted by HellSlayer:

You sort by negative and positive senses
You sort by a b c d e.

You can sort by a combination of letters like a c or cde.. any combination..

That's filtering. Sorting is reorganizing the order in which items appear.

It's also not enough nor is even this basic option available for Quinn's shop. I should be allowed to filter out combinations that have C but don't include B. As well as search by magimins (which again I like to mention Quinn's store doesn't even bother to show you this).

This game has over 100+ ingredients and the game highly encourages you to get as many ingredients as possible. It's absolutely mind-bogglingly to me, that this game has been in development for over 6 years, and no one thought that players would need a better sorting system than sort by letters.

This is like playing pokemon but they refused to tell you types.

I don't want to come off negative. This is a really great game but there are just parts of it that really makes it a task to play.

[Motive]

Originally posted by gamerkuro:

Originally posted by HellSlayer:

You sort by negative and positive senses
You sort by a b c d e.

You can sort by a combination of letters like a c or cde.. any combination..

Originally posted by Fringehunter7719:

That's filtering. Sorting is reorganizing the order in which items appear.

It's also not enough nor is even this basic option available for Quinn's shop. I should be allowed to filter out combinations that have C but don't include B. As well as search by magimins (which again I like to mention Quinn's store doesn't even bother to show you this).

This game has over 100+ ingredients and the game highly encourages you to get as many ingredients as possible. It's absolutely mind-bogglingly to me, that this game has been in development for over 6 years, and no one thought that players would need a better sorting system than sort by letters.

This is like playing pokemon but they refused to tell you types.

I don't want to come off negative. This is a really great game but there are just parts of it that really makes it a task to play.

Balancing, QOL improvements, this game REALLY needs it which i think will help the fun aspect on this game and making the experience much more enjoyable