How will Safi get shot?

[Frenzy]

i have a theory that at the end of the game we will discover that it was because of Max again (no surprise), why do i think that? Her powers would probably evolve during the story until she gets stronger time powers and maybe theres a scene where max actually gets shot but she rewinds the time out of shock and the bullet actually travels realities to the night when Safi dies.

i think we will probably see both of the Maxes interacting with eachother, clearly one of the Maxes probably blacks out when the Max we play as switches realities and controlls her (or they like switch places during it) and we would have a major conflict in the end where both of them face off because of it. Max is clearly controlling some other version of Max without her knowledge. i dont think the other Max is evil per se but she would definitely get tired of it.

We know that in the first LiS game when max went back to her original time after changing something in the past the Max after that clearly wasnt in the loop of what the other Max did and Chloe had to explain her things. I think the conflict will be about that, and at some point we will actually be the ones to lose control of Max, we might have already seen the start of it in the gameplay trailer they released when she collapsed after taking the owl photo.

but these are all just thoughts i had, would love to see what other people think.

[P1nkLem0n4d3]

That actually sounds pretty cool, like the ending choice could be either you die or Safi dies. I don't know how players would feel though if Max were to die off in any capacity even if it is based on choice. If it's going to come down to it, it's going to be that. That'll be the big choice at the end.

[Lar Dass]

Evil max is the killer and we have to fight outselves, our max can shift realities, and evil max can still time rewind

[P1nkLem0n4d3]

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

Evil max is the killer and we have to fight outselves, our max can shift realities, and evil max can still time rewind

I made a really funny thought that Chloe could potentially be the main villain.

[Marshall of the Templars]

Originally posted by P1nkLem0n4d3:

I made a really funny thought that Chloe could potentially be the main villain.

In one alternate timeline where Max rejected Chloe's romantic advances, I can totally see this being a likely possibility.

On that note, might as well have Warren be the killer... if the impressionable Pricefield shippers who hate his guts are to be believed. Max refusing to "go ape" with him could be his evil backstory 🙃 /s

[Frenzy]

Originally posted by Lar Dass:

Evil max is the killer and we have to fight outselves, our max can shift realities, and evil max can still time rewind

that would lowkey give some interesting puzzle aspect and gameplay

[rmsgrey]

My operating assumption at this point is that Safi's killer is going to be a new character, quite possibly one we haven't even seen yet. Making it someone from Max's past rather than someone from Safi's life would require bringing Arcadia Bay into the heart of the story rather than leaving it as a multiple choice backstory for Max.

[kuncendorfs]

Max kept pestering,nagging and manipulating her like she did with everyone in the first game and she shot herself.

[Frenzy]

Originally posted by rmsgrey:

My operating assumption at this point is that Safi's killer is going to be a new character, quite possibly one we haven't even seen yet. Making it someone from Max's past rather than someone from Safi's life would require bringing Arcadia Bay into the heart of the story rather than leaving it as a multiple choice backstory for Max.

but the whole game revolves around the mystery of it, doubt it would be some unknown person because that would be such a letdown for everyone. they are already bringing back arcadia bay when they decided to make another Max game

[AshHinton]

Originally posted by kuncendorfs:

Max kept pestering,nagging and manipulating her like she did with everyone in the first game and she shot herself.

She also couldn't take walking into her room to find Max nosing through every single one of her draws yet again.

[rmsgrey]

Originally posted by 󠁳⁧⁧ Frenzy:

Originally posted by rmsgrey:

My operating assumption at this point is that Safi's killer is going to be a new character, quite possibly one we haven't even seen yet. Making it someone from Max's past rather than someone from Safi's life would require bringing Arcadia Bay into the heart of the story rather than leaving it as a multiple choice backstory for Max.

but the whole game revolves around the mystery of it, doubt it would be some unknown person because that would be such a letdown for everyone. they are already bringing back arcadia bay when they decided to make another Max game

Exactly, the whole game revolves around the mystery, so they've got the entire game to introduce the suspects and explore their potential motives rather than making it a character that long-time series fans will either suspect immediately or be angry about having turned into a killer, and that players starting with this game will have no idea about and need to be caught up on.

And that's without considering the whole question of how someone from the first game would turn up after both endings.

Also, from what we've been told, it seems like the killer's targeting Safi personally, rather than targeting people around Max, which points to it being someone connected to Safi in some way. It's not impossible that someone who happens to be from Arcadia Bay happens to also, independently of Max, have a connection with Safi, but it'd be a bit contrived.

Finally, while it's possible that I'm overestimating Deck Nine's storytelling (or underestimating the influence of Square Enix's marketing department), I'd rather assume no-one else from the first game is going to turn up and be pleasantly surprised than assume the entire cast is going to be reunited and be disappointed.

[Frenzy]

Originally posted by rmsgrey:

Originally posted by 󠁳⁧⁧ Frenzy:

but the whole game revolves around the mystery of it, doubt it would be some unknown person because that would be such a letdown for everyone. they are already bringing back arcadia bay when they decided to make another Max game

Exactly, the whole game revolves around the mystery, so they've got the entire game to introduce the suspects and explore their potential motives rather than making it a character that long-time series fans will either suspect immediately or be angry about having turned into a killer, and that players starting with this game will have no idea about and need to be caught up on.

And that's without considering the whole question of how someone from the first game would turn up after both endings.

Also, from what we've been told, it seems like the killer's targeting Safi personally, rather than targeting people around Max, which points to it being someone connected to Safi in some way. It's not impossible that someone who happens to be from Arcadia Bay happens to also, independently of Max, have a connection with Safi, but it'd be a bit contrived.

Finally, while it's possible that I'm overestimating Deck Nine's storytelling (or underestimating the influence of Square Enix's marketing department), I'd rather assume no-one else from the first game is going to turn up and be pleasantly surprised than assume the entire cast is going to be reunited and be disappointed.

at that point why even bring Max back if its just gonna be a new character that is the bad guy, theres has to be a returning character who might be literally targeting Max instead but happened to accidentally kill Safi instead. im just thinking realistically, people are going to focus mainly on Max the whole game and wont care for the new characters which is why i think bringing her back was a bad idea if they do decide to make the enemy someone random nobody knows.

[P1nkLem0n4d3]

Right like this all seems like it's going in circles back to "why bring Max back?"

[rmsgrey]

Why bring Benoit Blanc back for Glass Onion if you're not going to bring back any other Knives Out characters?

Why did Dame Agatha Christie keep bringing Hercule Poirot and Jane Marple back to deal with unrelated mysteries?

Why did Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle keep bringing Watson and Holmes back to solve mysteries that almost never involved any returning characters in the mystery itself?

One possible reason to bring Max back is to serve as a more familiar player surrogate in the investigation of an unfamiliar group of people and relationships. If the devs are going to have a main character who closely resembles Max, why not make it her?

The idea that, once they start playing the game and interacting with the only characters actually in the game, people will ignore those characters sounds about as convincing as claiming that people ignored that blue-haired girl in the first game because she only showed up halfway through the first episode, and that they focused entirely on Kate, Alyssa, Daniel, Stella, Hayden, Taylor, Victoria and Mark Jefferson because they were the ones in the classroom.

[P1nkLem0n4d3]

Originally posted by rmsgrey:

Why bring Benoit Blanc back for Glass Onion if you're not going to bring back any other Knives Out characters?

Why did Dame Agatha Christie keep bringing Hercule Poirot and Jane Marple back to deal with unrelated mysteries?

Why did Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle keep bringing Watson and Holmes back to solve mysteries that almost never involved any returning characters in the mystery itself?

One possible reason to bring Max back is to serve as a more familiar player surrogate in the investigation of an unfamiliar group of people and relationships. If the devs are going to have a main character who closely resembles Max, why not make it her?

The idea that, once they start playing the game and interacting with the only characters actually in the game, people will ignore those characters sounds about as convincing as claiming that people ignored that blue-haired girl in the first game because she only showed up halfway through the first episode, and that they focused entirely on Kate, Alyssa, Daniel, Stella, Hayden, Taylor, Victoria and Mark Jefferson because they were the ones in the classroom.

Because it comes down to the series in it of itself not doing that for a really long time. It's different from a series that just constantly does it from the beginning. Furthermore, do any of those series have time traveling power stuff that have a specific ending in a previous entry that also goes somewhat against bringing that character back? No.

[Frenzy]

Originally posted by rmsgrey:

Why bring Benoit Blanc back for Glass Onion if you're not going to bring back any other Knives Out characters?

Why did Dame Agatha Christie keep bringing Hercule Poirot and Jane Marple back to deal with unrelated mysteries?

Why did Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle keep bringing Watson and Holmes back to solve mysteries that almost never involved any returning characters in the mystery itself?

One possible reason to bring Max back is to serve as a more familiar player surrogate in the investigation of an unfamiliar group of people and relationships. If the devs are going to have a main character who closely resembles Max, why not make it her?

The idea that, once they start playing the game and interacting with the only characters actually in the game, people will ignore those characters sounds about as convincing as claiming that people ignored that blue-haired girl in the first game because she only showed up halfway through the first episode, and that they focused entirely on Kate, Alyssa, Daniel, Stella, Hayden, Taylor, Victoria and Mark Jefferson because they were the ones in the classroom.

The thing with the first game was that all of the characters were new so we didnt know what to expect from any of them, with this new game we have Max back and it will destroy any new characters the game introduces immediately since players will only focus on Max being back and seeing whats new with her.

they could have made up a completely new character for us to play as and have them get powers when they discovered Safi being dead, i feel like the story would have worked the same way anyway since we dont even have the rewind powers again. you wouldnt even know the difference if it was someone else. Using Max was just a cheap way to get people to buy the game.