Liked the game, shame they use AI-generated images

[Rhudda]

I played one campaign as the dwarfs, then decided I wanted to play ratkin. Went to the store page to see what they get and found a notice that the devs use AI to generate images.

AI art is trained on existing art, often without asking for content.
AI uses huge amounts of water and energy, so is terrible for the environment.

For these reasons I'm sad to say that I cannot endorse this game, even though I liked it a lot. Won't even be playing more of the free version.

[abyssalfury]

Use of AI art is a valid discussion to be had.

Attacking a single person developer over it it is asinine, and rather pathetic. You're not winning the war by going after small indie developers instead of the ACTUAL issue; the big corp developers who will use it to put artists out of jobs.

For small developers like with SOVL, they aren't costing artists work, because the game just wont get made, and no one wins.

[edwin gibson]

what unbilivible bull is this Original Post saying. Any person with commen sense knows you don't give water to your PC or cell phone. and they sure don't eat up a lot of energy, I'm pretty sure. And AI generation doesn't take away any ones Jobs ether. Ai Generation has been out for years. and Artists around the world both online and in real life. Get the exact same Customer base and income they have always had. And the game dev never stol any ones art. Ever thought he used his own art to feed the AI. I'm tired of people online Vertou signaling and using Scare tactics to make people do what they want.

[Major Horrigan]

I assume the dev also has all of their projects open source to help train AIs as well since apparently that wont influence their business at all .... cant say a 2 post rant with all kinds of questionable justifications helped you make your case imo

[Zlodey]

AI generated images are sad, but better than no images.
Maybe when they have enough funds they will hire artist. And change color schemes. As sometimes small leftover unit squares blend into background.

[SpiralRazor]

Zlodey님이 먼저 게시:

AI generated images are sad, but better than no images.
Maybe when they have enough funds they will hire artist. And change color schemes. As sometimes small leftover unit squares blend into background.

Completely unnecessary. AI gen will shortly become the go to for most games....its getting that good.

[Zlodey]

SpiralRazor님이 먼저 게시:

Zlodey님이 먼저 게시:

AI generated images are sad, but better than no images.
Maybe when they have enough funds they will hire artist. And change color schemes. As sometimes small leftover unit squares blend into background.

Completely unnecessary. AI gen will shortly become the go to for most games....its getting that good.

Good on technical side, but for now it lacks vision, sense of style, of coherency and lacks ideas.
After all art in a game is not just about making perfect images, its about worldbuilding and characters fitting together ( not every artist is capable of that too yeah).

[SpiralRazor]

Have you seen the recent Ghibli themed stuff?

getting easier and easier to have AI generate cohesive themed sets of images that all look as though they were done in the same style. As for the rest of the attributes you mentioned...hogwash lol. Art in a game is using assets that convey the theme/setting of the game. Cyberpunk is going to have cyberpunk themes, etc etc.

[Gar101]

OP now only wants a paid version of the game and he will play it, thus using even more energy and water to obtain the money to buy the paid version of the game

[MikiTheBerserkr]

Rhudda님이 먼저 게시:

AI art is trained on existing art, often without asking for content.

Who cares lol

Rhudda님이 먼저 게시:

AI uses huge amounts of water and energy, so is terrible for the environment.

You can't use water... Or rather you can use it, but you can't use it up.
Water doesn't just magically disappear after being "used". At most it can vaporize, but guess what, it will eventually turn back to liquid form.
That's how rains and rivers work.

Energy isn't necessarily bad for environment either, and AI has a huge potential for pushing humanity forward, maybe saving environment as well, so it's definitely a good use of energy.

[NerdExtrodinare]

MikiTheBerserkr님이 먼저 게시:

Rhudda님이 먼저 게시:

AI art is trained on existing art, often without asking for content.

Who cares lol

Rhudda님이 먼저 게시:

AI uses huge amounts of water and energy, so is terrible for the environment.

You can't use water... Or rather you can use it, but you can't use it up.
Water doesn't just magically disappear after being "used". At most it can vaporize, but guess what, it will eventually turn back to liquid form.
That's how rains and rivers work.

Energy isn't necessarily bad for environment either, and AI has a huge potential for pushing humanity forward, maybe saving environment as well, so it's definitely a good use of energy.

He's also giving himself a pass while his computer wastes energy, he could just read books. The hypocrite.

[JDPUK]

I have zero issues with this game's artwork, AI generated or not, it looks perfectly fine.

[Teran]

Your local Pyro GF님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah, I share your concerns. AI-generated images do really ruin the chance of a game having a distinct art style which I really dislike. It's hard to know whether the art is really "new" or simply a generated stealing and "tweaking" someone elses art. I hope they do update it with their own art and artstyle in the future.

This is an insanely bad faith argument. You should be ashamed your brain even let your fingers type this out... or do you really believe art assets are permanent and can't be changed under any circumstances in the future?

All art is derivative of something else, some humans are just mad ai can do it faster for less money and this causes them to tunnel vision on an issue and write ridiculous statements like yours.

If you haven't noticed this game appears to be something of a passion product for a very small team with limited resources. Art is expensive and doesn't mean anything if there aren't people there to support and buy the game. If you want to kill a good game because the artist used ai to create some generic orcs and goblins instead of paying an artist to create some generic orcs and goblins, you do you I guess. If or when the game gains enough of a following is when I would expect luxuries like a more distinct art direction to be considered by the team.

[SpiralRazor]

I actually prefer AI art to most "modern" artists take on things.

[Popcorn Colonel]

@OP Virtue signalling tool.

[Cookie]

1. Why is this being tossed at a tiny dev? This seems like bullying in how unreasonable it is.
2. AI art will stop when artists get off their high horse and begin to create what is asked of them without whinging about having to meet client demands.
3. AI will stop impacting actual "artists" when they draw better than the computer. Oh, no, wait. This is already the case. Good craftsmen get paid. Bad craftsmen get replaced by machines. Welcome to the industrial revolution. Glad you could finally join us over a century later.