Really disappointed

[Bearis]

If you like this game don't read this post, i'm making it just to vent about how much fun i'm not having. i know its the first game in the series and they clearly learned a lot but wow this game is bad. having to make farm parties sucks. having to click interact 40+ times to use all my gathering points sucks. having quests that require classes i don't use leveled up sucks. getting trash items i won't use as quest rewards sucks. having to invest 10 skill points into passives i don't want to get an active skill sucks. having active skills be borderline useless until they're level 10 sucks. pressing auto battle for the entire first stratum and a half as the best strategy for 80% of fights including the foes and first boss sucks. having to backtrack through floors i completed because no shortcuts sucks. i love this series and was really looking forward to playing this but i guess i just had no idea how much they improved in the 3ds era and how boring and bad the ds games are. maybe two and three are better but i'm not expecting much.

[SynDuo]

Summary: game bad because it's not the 3ds version even though it was stated to be the DS version.

[Bearis]

yeah i never played them before and didn't realize how much they suck. i was expecting them to be good because i like the series but they are incredibly tedious and i have spent the entire game auto battling while alt tabbed because there is no difficulty or strategy what so ever.

[Damon]

Originally posted by Bearis:

yeah i never played them before and didn't realize how much they suck. i was expecting them to be good because i like the series but they are incredibly tedious and i have spent the entire game auto battling while alt tabbed because there is no difficulty or strategy what so ever.

Maybe, depends what difficulty you play on. I believe that on Expert (the original DS difficulty) you can't exactly autobattle in 2nd stratum when you first enter it, requiring you to use skills more frequently. The one that matters most is gear upgrades and level. It's very oldschool style game indeed.

[Bearis]

i am playing on expert and i am on floor 3 of the second stratum and i am still auto battling encounters and at most one of my characters might use a single ability. i am even killing the foes with for the most part auto battle, i might have my dark hunter poison and have my protector cure thats literally as deep as the combat has gotten.

[Damon]

Originally posted by Bearis:

i am playing on expert and i am on floor 3 of the second stratum and i am still auto battling encounters and at most one of my characters might use a single ability.

I see. By that time you also got gear upgrades and levels which matter a lot. But yeah I agree that it's not so hard game compared with some other games.

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

The first title is definitely not as refined as the later titles, which is a testament to the devs actually caring about their work and taking it in new places while still trying to keep to the soul of the product (at least for the main series, the Shin remakes don't count for that.) Unfortunately for people who joined later, that can make earlier entries difficult to return to, an experience I had with the Rune Factory games (starting from 3, 1 and 2 are just a nightmare from an interface angle, and I'm hoping we'll get Special remakes of those like the recent ones for 3 and 4.) As someone who started Sekaiju with 1, I still enjoy it, but I can see how the lack of refinement compared to latter entries can be frustrating to newer fans.

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Originally posted by 魔装機神 Psybuster:

an experience I had with the Rune Factory games (starting from 3, 1 and 2 are just a nightmare from an interface angle, and I'm hoping we'll get Special remakes of those like the recent ones for 3 and 4.)

RF3 is such a massive improvement over 1 and 2 that it is hard to believe they all released on the same generation for the same handheld console to be honest. I'm looking forward to RF3 Special on either PC or PS4/5, here is hoping they decide to remake 1 and 2 eventually.

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

Originally posted by .:

RF3 is such a massive improvement over 1 and 2 that it is hard to believe they all released on the same generation for the same handheld console to be honest. I'm looking forward to RF3 Special on either PC or PS4/5, here is hoping they decide to remake 1 and 2 eventually.

Been playing the Switch version a bit, it's a lot of fun, will probably try to sink into it some more after I finish these Sekaiju remasters.

[soulofmana]

At what point does a "farming party" become necessary? I'm in the second stratum and have never felt strapped for cash, and have consistently been able to keep my team's gear up to date.

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Originally posted by soulofmana:

At what point does a "farming party" become necessary? I'm in the second stratum and have never felt strapped for cash, and have consistently been able to keep my team's gear up to date.

Honestly? Never. OPs complaints are very puzzling as most of the listed pain points were also present on the 3DS remakes, lol.

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

Originally posted by .:

Honestly? Never. OPs complaints are very puzzling as most of the listed pain points were also present on the 3DS remakes, lol.

To be fair, he said "3DS era" which to me sounds more like he means Sekaiju 4, 5, and X, rather than the Shin remakes. Otherwise you're right, that's a very confusing complaint.

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Originally posted by 魔装機神 Psybuster:

Originally posted by .:

Honestly? Never. OPs complaints are very puzzling as most of the listed pain points were also present on the 3DS remakes, lol.

To be fair, he said "3DS era" which to me sounds more like he means Sekaiju 4, 5, and X, rather than the Shin remakes. Otherwise you're right, that's a very confusing complaint.

On that topic, gotta say I loved how absolutely bonkers a gathering party was in Nexus/X, was very funny to possibly run out of inventory space on a single node or two.

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

Originally posted by .:

On that topic, gotta say I loved how absolutely bonkers a gathering party was in Nexus/X, was very funny to possibly run out of inventory space on a single node or two.

I still need to play 5 and X, been sitting on them for far too long. 5 I'd picked up right away but then held off playing because the FM audio wasn't available at launch, and by the time it came out I got caught up in other things.

[Bearis]

To clarify i've played untold 1/2 and i thought the changes they made were rebalancing abilities note rebalance not rework, grimoire system, and the new story/content. so my assumption going into this game was the classes were the same just less balanced, not that they were completely different and incredibly boring. Yes farming parties exist in other games yes they suck in those games too and yes its stupid they brought it back in nexus when it wasn't a thing in EO5, that being said they are still handled better than this game and are less tedious but my other points aren't really present in future titles. i also consider EO5 to be the best game and the peak of what this series has to offer the classes are great and the experience is streamlined, yes its not the most difficult game but none of them are very hard but at least it has interesting classes and the combat is more complex than press auto battle and watch.

[Bearis]

I can deal with annoying and tedious aspects in a game when the classes and combat are good but neither of those are good in this game. its got to be one of the most boring turn based rpgs i have played so the other issues i have stand out so much more when i'm just not having fun with any enemy encounter and am constantly wondering when it will "get good". for me personally having fun classes and combat is the most important part of a turn based game and the reason why i liked these games, you can build very interesting teams. the exploration and all that was just secondary to me and at times more of an annoyance so with this game where the exploration is honestly at its worse and the classes are also at their worst i'm just not having as much fun as i thought i would and am well disappointed. i would rate it about a 2/10 and if it had untold class design i would give it about a 6/10 thats how much of a jump just having playable classes is for me.