Does it include Untold campaign?

[Justiciar-]

If not, I will boycott, just like I did with Bud Light.

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

From what I've gathered, Untold is the Shin remakes from the 3DS? Thankfully no, this is the original games rather than those messes.

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Originally posted by 魔装機神 Psybuster:

From what I've gathered, Untold is the Shin remakes from the 3DS? Thankfully no, this is the original games rather than those messes.

Yeah Untold is the name of the 3DS remakes of EO and EO2 on the western markets.

[Bitwolf]

Was the 3ds version changes limited to just a campaign? Or was there more?

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Originally posted by Bitwolf:

Was the 3ds version changes limited to just a campaign? Or was there more?

It was a full on remake. Added a story mode (optional), 2 extra classes (Gunner which was retrofited from EO2 and Highlander which was completely new), dungeon map layouts were changed, whole game was rebalanced and skill trees completely changed, added new features such as the grimoire system, an extra dungeon (story mode only), added voice acting and 3D enemy models, added quality of life functions such as floor jumping between cleared maps to fast travel inside the labyrinth...

[Ahzaeth]

Grimoire system was aids. Story and characters were both forgettable and kind of spoils the twist to the setting from the start. Rebalance felt weird, but I'm not a pro at the series so I couldn't say if it was objectively an improvement or downgrade. That said, smaller stats are easier to understand, usually.

[Justiciar-]

Originally posted by Atlas:

Grimoire system was aids.

That's the only point I can agree with in this discussion.

Untold story mode was fine. The map changes were minor, only the boss floors got reworked entirely.

Highlander and Gunner were overpowered, but that's because they were for story characters only. You only get access to them in classic mode once you've beaten the game in story mode. Even then, they were only available through class-changing.

I don't get the disdain for Untold. Maybe you nerds are just plain allergic to extra content.

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Originally posted by Justiciar-:

Originally posted by Atlas:

Grimoire system was aids.

That's the only point I can agree with in this discussion.

Untold story mode was fine. The map changes were minor, only the boss floors got reworked entirely.

Highlander and Gunner were overpowered, but that's because they were for story characters only. You only get access to them in classic mode once you've beaten the game in story mode. Even then, they were only available through class-changing.

I don't get the disdain for Untold. Maybe you nerds are just plain allergic to extra content.

Yeah I like both versions, quality of life aside I'd say both are side-grades to each other.

[Justiciar-]

Originally posted by .:

... blah blah, all the changes, my name is a sad little period ...

You also forgot to mention that the apothecary (including Dr. Hoffman) is completely removed from the Untold version. I'll admit that I disliked that particular change also.

[Rockisch]

Originally posted by Justiciar-:

I don't get the disdain for Untold. Maybe you nerds are just plain allergic to extra content.

From what I gather from a few players, besides the grimoire (which yeah, it's ass), having the story mode being the 'main' mode took away the team-building and 'adventuring into the unknown' aspects of the game from new players.

Frederica is cute tho, so IDGAF

[Noma]

Atlus out of their deph again with a lazy remaster of an obsolete title. Same with Catherine Classic, same with Persona 3. They have a best version, and they decide to release the worst one, insane.

[takashi_K]

Originally posted by 魔装機神 Psybuster:

From what I've gathered, Untold is the Shin remakes from the 3DS? Unfortunately no, this is the original games.

Fixed your statement for accuracy. 3DS Versions > Originals, forever.

Don't reply, I'm not interested in anything you have to say.

[Bitwolf]

Originally posted by takashi_K:

Originally posted by 魔装機神 Psybuster:

From what I've gathered, Untold is the Shin remakes from the 3DS? Unfortunately no, this is the original games.

Fixed your statement for accuracy. 3DS Versions > Originals, forever.

Don't reply, I'm not interested in anything you have to say.

Buddy he never even made a statement, all he said was untold is the remakes and this is a port of the originals, why are you like this?

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

Originally posted by Bitwolf:

Buddy he never even made a statement, all he said was untold is the remakes and this is a port of the originals, why are you like this?

To be fair, I did say "thankfully" which does express a value opinion putting the originals over the Shin remakes, albeit one that is pretty universally shared. That said, it is hilarious how he felt the need to go out of his way to purposefully rewrite my post to express his opinion. He'd go far working in a "localization" company.

[Justiciar-]

Originally posted by takashi_K:

Originally posted by 魔装機神 Psybuster:

From what I've gathered, Untold is the Shin remakes from the 3DS? Unfortunately no, this is the original games.

Fixed your statement for accuracy. 3DS Versions > Originals, forever.

*applause*

Originally posted by takashi_K:

Don't reply, I'm not interested in anything you have to say.

*boos*

Originally posted by 魔装機神 Psybuster:

To be fair, I did say "thankfully" which does express a value opinion putting the originals over the Shin remakes, albeit one that isn't very popular.

Fixed your statement for accuracy. Just like takashi_K did.

Only I'm interested in what you have to say still. Even if you are embarrassingly wrong.

[魔装機神 Psybuster]

Originally posted by Justiciar-:

Fixed your statement for accuracy.

Honestly, no. This board is literally the first time since the games released that I've seen anyone, much less so many people, defending Shin. They were widely hated at launch, and there's a very good reason the prices shot downward while the DS originals maintained their value. It's honestly quite bizarre.