So many problems with this...

[TheDuckyOne]

Listen, I love Atlus, and never could have expected Etrian Odyssey to see the light of day again, but damn what the hell is this. This is the original version, not even the Untold version, which I adore, and they dare ask 40 Euros for it? I am so confused. Persona 4 Golden is 20 Euros, so who in their right mind would pay 40 Euros for not even the Untold version but the barebones original which lacks a story mode, which like I previously mentioned I loved.

[Jindujun93]

I said as much in a thread for the EO1 port forums, but there sort of is a point in porting the original over the Untold version - Untold wasn't a 1:1 remake even if you only compare the classic mode with the orignal game. These games are very different - from smaller things like the map layouts, to following completely different design philosophies in terms of combat (like how the original tends to give opponents high defenses and low-ish HP, while Untold gives them regular defenses but absolutely obnoxious HP bloat), skill trees are different and it's really a matter of preference which one you love more in some cases.

Point is, it was a conscious decision to port over the DS versions over the 3DS versions, because at this point those are the oldest games that weren't easily accessible (the others could all be downloaded from the E-Shop on the 3DS). I would have prefered the Untold versions too. And yes, the price is absolute highway robbery. Doesn't matter which version - 40 bucks is too high for the originals, it's too high for the Untold games too. But don't act like there's no point in bringing the originals over the Untold games.

[TheDuckyOne]

Originally posted by Jindujun93:

I said as much in a thread for the EO1 port forums, but there sort of is a point in porting the original over the Untold version - Untold wasn't a 1:1 remake even if you only compare the classic mode with the orignal game. These games are very different - from smaller things like the map layouts, to following completely different design philosophies in terms of combat (like how the original tends to give opponents high defenses and low-ish HP, while Untold gives them regular defenses but absolutely obnoxious HP bloat), skill trees are different and it's really a matter of preference which one you love more in some cases.

Point is, it was a conscious decision to port over the DS versions over the 3DS versions, because at this point those are the oldest games that weren't easily accessible (the others could all be downloaded from the E-Shop on the 3DS). I would have prefered the Untold versions too. And yes, the price is absolute highway robbery. Doesn't matter which version - 40 bucks is too high for the originals, it's too high for the Untold games too. But don't act like there's no point in bringing the originals over the Untold games.

I am going to be blunt with you, I do think there is no point in bringing over the originals over the Untold games. This only appeals to some hardcore EO veterans , by the time all EO games have been "remastered" to PC the average game will long be fatigued by EO. Even playing through all these 3 EO classics will end up as a slog and chore to most. Also the maps changes and minor other changes really are just nitpicking imo. Only hardcore veterans will care about this. Not everybody has the same opinion on this of course, and everything I say here is meant with the upmost respect for your opinion.

[Vla software]

Lol, no way. Untold 2 was balanced around the MC transforming into Fafnir which made every boss have a crapton of HP and ruined classic mode. Glad they went with the original.

[Commander]

Originally posted by TheDuckyOne:

This only appeals to some hardcore EO veterans ,

Yes.

I have already purchased.

Originally posted by TheDuckyOne:

who in their right mind would pay 40 Euros for not even the Untold version but the barebones original which lacks a story mode

One of the original Etrian Odyssey promo comics had something to say about this...[etrian.fandom.com]

[[Z.E.] Gri-49]

Originally posted by Toilet Crust Scratcher:

Lol, no way. Untold 2 was balanced around the MC transforming into Fafnir which made every boss have a crapton of HP and ruined classic mode. Glad they went with the original.

Bosses weren't that bad. I am sure with a proper team, you can deal with the bosses just fine. Fafnir is strong and easy to use, but other classes can also deal a lot of damage at a steadier pace without relying on Force Boost. I managed to clear the game with a team 5 Hexers on Normal (yes, Normal not hard. The 3rd Stratum Mid-Boss was near-impossible even on Normal. I also skip the 6th Stratum. Fun challenge run though).

[ggsnake]

I'm quite happy that they decided not to include the story mode in these HD remakes. Story mode with fixed characters just goes completely against the design philosphy of these games (namely create a party of your own, and experiment with different classes and skills).

[[Z.E.] Gri-49]

Originally posted by ggsnake:

I'm quite happy that they decided not to include the story mode in these HD remakes. Story mode with fixed characters just goes completely against the design philosphy of these games (namely create a party of your own, and experiment with different classes and skills).

Story mode is a choice. You don't have to play it if you don't like it (you are only missing 1 dungeon in EO1U, and in EO2U they've learned their lesson and the story dungeon is an optional one in Classic mode).

Story Mode is a great way to introduce new fans from other RPG franchises, since the game gives you a party that's easy to use and can have good synergy (in both Untolds, party have a Medic, a Protector, a class with status effect and classes that synergies using elemental attacks). I think of it as a tutorial for new fans, while Classic Mode is harder since you are free to choose any party you want, so you can mess up if you don't know what a party needs (in most RPG, status effects are pretty bad and unnecessary, while in EO you need them to hinder hard-hitting enemies). Also, having named character with defined personality is easier to sell to new fans rather than just showing quick portraits of mute characters in a trailer and expecting people to try it.

I will say though I didn't like the story from EO2U (and EOU1 ruins some revelation way too early compare to the original. I do like the additional of Gungnir), but it doesn't mean the mode shouldn't exists at all.

[Hi.standard]

Simple. Because why would they start with a low price when they can start with a higher price?

If they started at , say 19.99, you would think that is a good price right? Then discounts would only be from 19.99.

Instead, start at 39.99, for example. Die hard people, which for the most part the people who are going to buy this game anyway, purchase it.

with out going on and on, basically its all business, Square, Atlus, whatever, they are all giant businesses that care about profit above all else, they know they will make more at this price point than a lower one. Thats it.

And if for some reason it doesnt sell at this price, then SURE ENOUGH, you will pick it up at 50% off at 19.99, wouldnt you?

[The Dark Lord of Bunnies]

I think it's easy to understand. They ported the originals so they can port Untold later if these do well and essentially double dip their profits.

[Melodia]

Originally posted by The Dark Lord of Bunnies:

I think it's easy to understand. They ported the originals so they can port Untold later if these do well and essentially double dip their profits.

I admit I've only played small amounts of all the games except for EO4, but from everything I've gathered the Untold games are different enough it wouldn't even be double dipping. Different dungeon layouts, story mode, and 2D vs 3D. I consider for instance Final Fantasy III and IV different enough in their 2D vs 3D versions to be parallel releases, not one replacing the other.

[TheMidnightCrazies]

Originally posted by ggsnake:

I'm quite happy that they decided not to include the story mode in these HD remakes. Story mode with fixed characters just goes completely against the design philosphy of these games (namely create a party of your own, and experiment with different classes and skills).

Yes agreed also I <3 I can play classic EO on pc now, really loved those games on DS ...also the collection bundle gave me a nice price cut. :)

[Krude]

I actually didn't like the untold games, the only thing I miss about them was the music which I believe was better quality remakes.

Outside that the rest was a mix of good and bad, I felt the story wasn't needed and detracted from letting your imagination take over.

[Fudging_friendly]

Well if you want the original Trilogy, they can't just port untold 1 and 2, and then have a regular EO3...as someone who's first game into the series is EO3 I still remembering hoping they'd make an untold 3 but it never happened...gah...