could we not discard all the ingredients in a dish before we've even opened the shop?

[Nerdlin Geeksly]

I put up 9 sea grape jellyfish sushi thinking the jelly fish event was today when it was tomorrow (the event counter in the corner said day-0 so I think the counter bugged), I immediately took the recipe down 5 seconds after putting it up and lost all those resources for the party tomorrow; it makes no sense to delete those resources so soon after placing them, at the very least refund all but 1 set of the needed ingredients.

Edit: I put Vinny the Fox's reply as the answer as it's a good technique to minimize the impact of making this mistake and I want all who read this and sympathize with my plight to benefit from this.
if you use this method and make this mistake again just set the menu item to not auto refill so you only lose 1 of the dish.

[Bas]

??? What do you expect? It's food. Once food is prepared (particularly in the case of seafood which is very time / freshness sensitive), it can't be 'unprepared'. And the intro to the game shows that Bansho refuses to resell / reuse unsold food, hence that also gets scrapped.

That said, you can always reload the last auto save if you didn't save shortly before preparing the menu. The game autosaves right after you adjust the menu at all but there should be another autosave before that. Just ALT+F4 so the game doesn't autosave over it when you 'save and return to title' and maybe you can get back to a spot where you didn't waste it.

[Nerdlin Geeksly]

Originally posted by 𝐁ᴀsᴛᴀʀᴅ:

??? What do you expect? It's food. Once food is prepared (particularly in the case of seafood which is very time / freshness sensitive), it can't be 'unprepared'. And the intro to the game shows that Bansho refuses to resell / reuse unsold food, hence that also gets scrapped.

That said, you can always reload the last auto save if you didn't save shortly before preparing the menu. The game autosaves right after you adjust the menu at all but there should be another autosave before that. Just ALT+F4 so the game doesn't autosave over it when you 'save and return to title' and maybe you can get back to a spot where you didn't waste it.

but it's not prepared, no cooking has begun and it's still fresh.
our man the sushi master hasn't even taken them out of the tank; and no you can't reload the save, I already tried killing the game in task manager and it saved the dish placement.
at least I can sell it tonight.

[Bas]

Originally posted by Nerdlin Geeksly:

but it's not prepared, no cooking has begun and it's still fresh.
our man the sushi master hasn't even taken them out of the tank; and no you can't reload the save, I already tried killing the game in task manager and it saved the dish placement.
at least I can sell it tonight.

putting it on the menu = prepared, as far as the game is concerned. as soon as anything is placed on the menu the resources are used to make it and removing it from the menu discards those resources because the dish is considered made. the tank is just there for scenery. (edit: probably a better way of describing it would be that the ingredients / fish used for the dish are killed as soon as the selection is made, even if the dish isn't put together yet.)

oh well. at least you can still profit from it.
(for what its worth, I do agree we should be able to add/remove to menu without wasting anything, until the restaurant opens.)

[Draktok]

Bastard just wants to argue about how the game works, which we're all aware of how it works.

I agree with you OP - if you put the wrong dish up, it's really punishing, and you haven't actually opened the shop or anything, it doesn't really make sense. I'd also like it to not work that way.

[Bas]

Originally posted by Draktok:

Bastard just wants to argue about how the game works, which we're all aware of how it works.

and you just want to assume what my intent is. there would be no point arguing about something we're all aware of. just because I can rationalize why the game works the way it does, doesn't mean I think it should work that way.

[Private117]

Imagine if every restaurant would work that way. Write the menu down on your card and the ingredients are already gone before the restaurant even opens.

I'm fine with throwing away the stuff I didn't manage to sell. But throwing them out by the virtue of writing a dishes name on a card is bonkers.

[Nerdlin Geeksly]

Originally posted by 𝐁ᴀsᴛᴀʀᴅ:

Originally posted by Draktok:

Bastard just wants to argue about how the game works, which we're all aware of how it works.

and you just want to assume what my intent is. there would be no point arguing about something we're all aware of. just because I can rationalize why the game works the way it does, doesn't mean I think it should work that way.

by you're logic of the cooking needs to be fresh, the 58 pieces of 7 day old fish I've had sitting in my inventory should be tossed out because it wouldn't be fresh enough for boncho to cook with, and when boncho said he doesn't reuse or resell items he mean't that in terms of it already being brought to a guest who leaves because he only makes the food when a guest orders it, which shows that the food indeed isn't made before opening the restaurant but rather immediately after the customer orders it to maintain the freshness.

[Vinny the Fox]

When you make the daily menu you need to only put one of each dish. Then you can click on the button just to the right of each dish on the menu screen and pick auto restock. That way it will only waste one if you need to change for some reason and also you will only be out one if they don't sell.

[Private117]

Originally posted by Vinny the Fox:

When you make the daily menu you need to only put one of each dish. Then you can click on the button just to the right of each dish on the menu screen and pick auto restock. That way it will only waste one if you need to change for some reason and also you will only be out one if they don't sell.

everyone knows, but that wasnt the topic of the discussion. Its about if its really necessary gameplay wise to disregard everything when choosing the menu and not only when cooking it. And that includes 1 or 10 dishes. it dosnt matter for this topic. Its not about how the game functions, but if the game needs to function the way it does.

[ohener]

yeah that's a quit back to the menu and reload one of the autosaves situation

[Arererego]

OP is right. We are not preparing the dish by that point; we are just writing the menu (maybe this goes in, maybe not). We are technically just writing on a board what is going to be prepared, not preparing it

[Nerdlin Geeksly]

Originally posted by ohener:

yeah that's a quit back to the menu and reload one of the autosaves situation

you'll get the ingredients back, but the recipe will still be on the menu so you have to serve it that night

[Draktok]

Originally posted by Vinny the Fox:

When you make the daily menu you need to only put one of each dish. Then you can click on the button just to the right of each dish on the menu screen and pick auto restock. That way it will only waste one if you need to change for some reason and also you will only be out one if they don't sell.

it's actually really tedious to do this,why isn't it the default? lol

[ohener]

Originally posted by Nerdlin Geeksly:

Originally posted by ohener:

yeah that's a quit back to the menu and reload one of the autosaves situation

you'll get the ingredients back, but the recipe will still be on the menu so you have to serve it that night

not that autosave you load the autosave before that one.

Although yeah you gotta be careful choosing the right autosave cause you end up only getting like one shot before they're overwritten.

[ohener]

Originally posted by Draktok:

Originally posted by Vinny the Fox:

When you make the daily menu you need to only put one of each dish. Then you can click on the button just to the right of each dish on the menu screen and pick auto restock. That way it will only waste one if you need to change for some reason and also you will only be out one if they don't sell.

it's actually really tedious to do this,why isn't it the default? lol

huh wow, til

I guess the only reason you wouldn't want to have that on is for nights when you're serving an expensive boss dish and you want all the others to run out so the customers are forced to buy all 10 dishes of the expensive thing?