Note: MINTROCKET is NEXON

[Elegant Caveman]

For what it's worth.

https://indiegame.com/en/archives/5675

in fairness, today, that's more obvious than it used to be, what with the website linked to on the store page making that clear ( https://davethediverhelp.nexon.com/hc/ko ).

I originally made this thread about a year ago, at which time it was a lot less obvious. The thread's since mysteriously been deleted, so I'm posting it again.

It's still somewhat easy to miss, though (not everybody looks at the links on the store page), and it can be easy to mistake MINTROCKET for some scrappy new indie studio and not realize there's a giant megacorp lurking behind.

I'm not saying don't buy it, just be aware of what you're buying and what you're supporting.

Early reports (from the deleted thread) were that there are no microtransactions or such shenanigans, so that's good news.

EDIT: Well, now the old thread is back and it's been merged with this one. That's why there's similar posts, and some really old ones.

[Elegant Caveman]

Note: MINTROCKET is NEXON

Looking at the store page, you might think this is a small self-published indie game, but no, it's just a megacorporation[en.wikipedia.org] obfuscating things as usual.

https://journal.com.ph/dave-the-diver-plunges-right-into-the-hearts-of-the-steam-community/

MINTROCKET is a stand-alone brand of NEXON that commits to offering new kinds of enjoyment with various genres.

Not saying don't buy it, but just know what you're getting, and adjust expectations accordingly.

[Malikyte]

Hopefully the "stand-alone" part is a good sign and this game won't be ruined by the usual megacorp BS we see in gaming nowadays. The game does look extremely promising.

[Elegant Caveman]

Hopefully, yeah. It does look interesting.

[Mechanoid]

Still remember Nexon F ing their old players years back on a different game, me included.
So hope this game will be fun/good because it is stand-alone.
Not a fan of Nexon as a company, so yeh time will tell.

[plihal]

Sorry for necromancing this almost a year later. But the game doesn't seem to have any corporate BS, no microtransactions where they could EASILY have put some, great pixel-art and its a very fun game, idk how the connection to Nexon is working, but seems to be a good game nonetheless.

[Elegant Caveman]

引用自 plihal：

Sorry for necromancing this almost a year later. But the game doesn't seem to have any corporate BS, no microtransactions where they could EASILY have put some, great pixel-art and its a very fun game, idk how the connection to Nexon is working, but seems to be a good game nonetheless.

Thanks for reporting in.

Though it's an old thread, I wouldn't call this necro, since it's still relevant (or even if it is necro, I'd argue it's acceptable).

It just came out, so there's always the possibility of shenanigans down the line, but that's usually with bigger games (like when COD adds microtransactions months after release or stuff like that). I'd be surprised to see such behavior on a smaller title like this.

[Kito Ballard]

引用自 plihal：

Sorry for necromancing this almost a year later. But the game doesn't seem to have any corporate BS, no microtransactions where they could EASILY have put some, great pixel-art and its a very fun game, idk how the connection to Nexon is working, but seems to be a good game nonetheless.

Nexon pretty much kept their hands off as a pub. A lot of the time publishers see a project they can support and just toss some cash at em to help em out the door. Weird to hear about Nexon, but not all corpos are that evil.

[yukonhoo]

What’s the deal? What’s bad about nexon?

[TyresTyco]

引用自 yukonhoo：

What’s the deal? What’s bad about nexon?

Greedy korean p2w online game publisher/dev. Famous for publishing and destroying Mabinogi, VIndictus and many more.

It's one of these companies like Perfect World, Webzen, Gamigo, Aeria Games etc that did a hell lot of money a decade ago where low tier korean mmo cash grabs were popular.

[Roberto]

引用自 yukonhoo：

What’s the deal? What’s bad about nexon?

They're the latest boogie man corpo that people are up in arms about before they move onto the next thing. Like it was Ubisoft a few years ago, then EA, then Activision before people forgot now it's Nexon.

In short: The main issues being their microtransaction based economy in some of their games and that a bunch of former devs made a carbon copy of one of their (unreleased/cancelled) games and as a shock to no one got into legal problems.

[Dark]

Google Dark and Darker / Nexon.

It's kind of in a he said she said area, but there are receipts and...

On the other hand... this is a really good game and the programmers/developers aren't the same as the Suits and management.

[TyresTyco]

Funny that people nowadays know Nexon only because of the Dark and Darker situation.

[Elegant Caveman]

引用自 yukonhoo：

What’s the deal? What’s bad about nexon?

Mostly known for P2W F2P games like MapleStory, and a big corporation in general.

I have limited personal experience with them, having only played a bit of GitS: SAC - FAO[en.wikipedia.org] back in the day, which was... not perfect? I've seen better games, I've seen worse games. Had potential, but ended up pretty messy and killed off early. Don't know how much of the blame belonged to the devs (NeoPle) vs. the publishers (NEXON).

It's not inherently/necessarily a bad thing (there are arguably considerably worse publishers), but at first glance, MINTROCKET could easily be mistaken for some little indie studio instead of just a rebranded megacorp.

It's like if there was some game that looked like it was just a nice little indie title, but it was actually just EA or Activision by some other name.

Big publishers do this all the time, having different brands which obfuscates what's coming from where exactly.

Not everybody cares about stuff like this, but I like knowing what I'm buying (or considering buying), so when I looked up MINTROCKET and found out about the NEXON connection, I figured I'd post about it to inform others who also care about such things.

引用自 TyresTyco：

Greedy korean p2w online game publisher/dev. Famous for publishing and destroying Mabinogi, VIndictus and many more.

It's one of these companies like Perfect World, Webzen, Gamigo, Aeria Games etc that did a hell lot of money a decade ago where low tier korean mmo cash grabs were popular.

Thanks for the extra info. I don't know that much about them.

引用自 Roberto：

They're the latest boogie man corpo that people are up in arms about before they move onto the next thing. Like it was Ubisoft a few years ago, then EA, then Activision before people forgot now it's Nexon.

Forgot? What are you talking about?

Nobody's forgotten how absolutely terrible EA, Ubi, and Activision are.

Surprise! People can be concerned about multiple megacorps at the same time!

引用自 Dark：

On the other hand... this is a really good game and the programmers/developers aren't the same as the Suits and management.

That's an important distinction, but it's always worth bearing in mind who pulls the strings.

引用自 TyresTyco：

Funny that people nowadays know Nexon only because of the Dark and Darker situation.

I've never even heard of Dark and Darker...

[HoneyDrake]

Is NEXON "bad"? Not really. It's not worse than EA or Activision (or whatever they are called now with microsoft taking them over), etc.

If you want to complain about what NEXON does ... how about doing so by adressing the laws they are (ab)using?

You only hear about NEXON because of a few streamers, Dark and Darker and it being one of the most successful companies being active outside of Korea/Japan (their headquarters seem to be in Japan).

Seriously, you will never change anything by complaining on some forums, only by changing the law you could see a chance of that happening.

[Kito Ballard]

Could of sworn I replied to this... But personally I believe Nexon just tossed some cash at the dev team to help them finish producing the game. It's not always about their bottom line.If the team likes the product, then they can toss some cash to help. And from what it seems, Nexon pretty much just kept their hands off and let the devs do what they needed.