Is joining an alliance instead of making one worth it?

[Huggable_Commando]

Been trying to get my footing in this game, and so far so good, with one glaring exception: I get invited to alliances early on in the game as I start building up my army, and wanting to have some mutual defense, I accept.

The problem is the guy in charge of the alliance then goes on to not bother adding anyone else to the alliance, and as a member instead of the leader I can't go do that myself. So when the unholy horde comes around the only people able to lend support are myself and one other kingdom with ~10 people in it, nowhere near enough.

Is there any good reason to join alliances early? Or should I start telling them no and asking them to join me instead?

[StOnEdSmUrFz]

Messaggio originale di black templarFR:

So if you join someone else alliance, it's basically just temporary because you can't win by being with someone else.

Do you know this to be true or are you just assuming? I was going to try a political type game as an alliance member and see if it’s possible to manipulate my way to victory. If you know for sure you can’t I won’t bother.

[Raymond]

Messaggio originale di Huggable_Commando:

Update: I decided to stay out of alliances for awhile while I build myself up. When I was ready to start looking beyond my own borders all my neighbors was already in alliances. SIGH.

send someone to assassinate the head of the alliance. Watch their alliance fall to pieces.

[[black templar][FR]]

Messaggio originale di StOnEdSmUrFz:

Messaggio originale di black templarFR:

So if you join someone else alliance, it's basically just temporary because you can't win by being with someone else.

Do you know this to be true or are you just assuming? I was going to try a political type game as an alliance member and see if it’s possible to manipulate my way to victory. If you know for sure you can’t I won’t bother.

Well when you start playing at some point there is a panel on your screen saying (if I get it right) that you need to be emperor and for doing so you need to have 12 vassals or have an alliance of 12 free nations under your leadership.

So it seems clear to me, that joining someone else alliance, can be a good choice for some reason but ultimately you can't declare yourself emperor as you aren't leading the alliance, and can't have vassals either.

[Linkolase]

is there a way to become the leader of your alliance without leaving it? like I managed to stick with an alliance that has half the continent as I'm really good at trade and making friends. Also an "Alliance" feels like we should be making group decisions together like a senate or committee, not just one guy. Sounds more like annexation if that's the case. I don't want to kill my best customer/friend if I don't have to.

[StOnEdSmUrFz]

Messaggio originale di Linkolase:

is there a way to become the leader of your alliance without leaving it? like I managed to stick with an alliance that has half the continent as I'm really good at trade and making friends. Also an "Alliance" feels like we should be making group decisions together like a senate or committee, not just one guy. Sounds more like annexation if that's the case. I don't want to kill my best customer/friend if I don't have to.

Not currently. I'm guessing for game play reasons 1 person decides direction, adding in challenge for leadership or something would be good tho and people should be able to do it to you as well.

It basically is just an Annex but you swap money for opinion and people will automatically come help you when attacked.

Leaving only costs a little opinion, then if you can get them to join yours they will get some of that opinion back. If your besties shouldn't be to hard.

[Hit711]

I join the alliance at the early game to expand the local market and have some cover from them. Luckily, the host manage very well and we have 6 states in alliance.
Although our alliance break at the middle game but now I strong enough to build my kingdom

[Snake Bit]

Messaggio originale di Huggable_Commando:

Update: I decided to stay out of alliances for awhile while I build myself up. When I was ready to start looking beyond my own borders all my neighbors was already in alliances. SIGH.

Strategic use of slander intrigues. Spreading rumors and lies with people who like and trust your kingdom. Makes them more prone to break off the alliance. Ingratiate yourself with the people who make that alliance the strongest. slander the faction leader and do everything you can to drive a wedge in their alliance. Then when it's in tatters invite them. Basically you have to manipulate people and turn them against each other.