NEW PC BUILD INCOMING - But will it work?!

[ReaperKing]

Yo!

Sup Dudettes and Dudes?!

All I'm in need of is the 7950X3D, which I already paid on 28'th of February.
You know, this CPU is globally out of stock.^^
I will have to lay back and chill, until it has arrived and I could complete my build finally, but the question is "Will it be able to drive Death Stranding DC"?

CPU:
AMD RYZEN 9 7950X3D

DDR5:
2× 32Gb Kit (2×16Gb) G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB "back"
+ BIOS-Gaming Profile: 2 deactivated DDR-Slots, for 32Gb DDR5 @ ~6.100MHz
+ BIOS-Work Profile: Full capacity of 64Gb @ ~4.900MHz

NVMe SSD's:
2× Kingston Fury Renegade 2Tb M.2key
+ RAID-0 = 14.600Mb/s Reading, 14.000Mb/s Writing

GPU:
Gigabyte nVidia GeForce RTX 3090Ti


Rest of the list is more "nice to know" against "gaming-performance-important"!

CPU-COOLER:
Noctua NH-D15S
+ 3× Chromax 140×150mm BlackSwap

Mainbord:
ASUS ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming WiFi

GPU-HOLDER:
upHere RGB-LED GPU Brace Support

GPU-PWR-CABLE:
1× 12(+4PIN) zu 3× PCIe-8PIN
SIRLYR GPU Kabel sleeved

PU:
beQuiet! 1500W, DarkPower Pro 12 Modular 80+ Platinum

Case-Fans:
6× 120mm IceBerg Thermal IceGALE Xtra "black"
Optional-GPU-Support Fan: 1× 140mm IceBerg Thermal IceGALE Xtra "black"

Greetz and Peace, looking for your replies, I'm out.

[Biggles]

I feel like you could set the graphics to 'plus ultra' with this build :)

[Psyringe]

Several decisions in this build that I definitely wouldn't have made myself, but it will run Death Stranding comfortably. :)

[Cursed Life]

What a stupid "watch me" topic, even a monkey would understand that is more than enough for this game.

[BlastThyName]

Easily. Death Stranding does not benefit from a big fat cache as much as Horizon which runs on the same engine however.
Your cooler should actually be more than enough for such a CPU because it does not pull that much watts (~145w max load).

[La_Chose]

What resolution and what refresh rate are you aiming for ?

This game doesn't need a very poweful machine to run well on the highest settings. It was originally developed for consoles.

[-B.A.Frayd-™]

If you are not trolling, I am running the game very smoothly on high with an ancient i7 2600k and a gtx 1070.

[ReaperKing]

Originally posted by Charmed Life:

What a stupid "watch me" topic, even a monkey would understand that is more than enough for this game.

- I wasn't the only one, who had some problems to get this game running stable. I was asking my self "Hmmm... might this system will be able to handle the game fluid and stable in whatever resolution I want?". Grafic-Options doesn't seem to have any impact on performance ... texture resolution doesn't change ... ambient occlusion active or not doesn't change the visual effects or performance.
With all this ish in knowing, it's a question.

But doesn't matters much right, cuz as we know you are new to all this stuff on Steam ... with Steam-Level 0 ... I mean to be honest "0"?

Originally posted by BlastThyName:

Easily. Death Stranding does not benefit from a big fat cache as much as Horizon which runs on the same engine however.
Your cooler should actually be more than enough for such a CPU because it does not pull that much watts (~145w max load).

It's more focused on gaming performance because the frames aren't very stable is already underrated - the framerate is dropping AF!
I thought - maybe here's someone with hardware in the same direction and who is playing this game.

Originally posted by La_Chose:

What resolution and what refresh rate are you aiming for ?

This game doesn't need a very poweful machine to run well on the highest settings. It was originally developed for consoles.

Refreshrate 120Hz = 120fps min.
Resolution of cause upto 4k.

The specs doesn't reflect the right performance needed ... I already tested the RTX 3090 Ti dealed with the bottleneck, but after all the performance wasn't that oimpressive and not even near to "good". All I'm hoping is, that the system now will handle the game really fluid and stable - most important "stable".

Old System: 6700k + GTX 1060 6Gb OC - Same Intel with 3090 Ti tested ... 40fps more, but still very unstable framerates.

Originally posted by -B.A.Frayd-™:

If you are not trolling, I am running the game very smoothly on high with an ancient i7 2600k and a gtx 1070.

My old system was on an Intel 6700k, 16Gb DDR4 RAm + GTX 1060 6Gb OC ... and the game ran all but stable! - Same Intel but with 3090 Ti was 40fps more, but still - still not stable or consistent framerates!

[La_Chose]

In my case, the game ran really really stable with an old AMD 2700X and a RTX3070. FPS capped at 98 fps (100Hz G-sync monitor), 1440p ultra-wide. I set DLSS on quality and the GPU didn't even break a sweat. I didn't see any FPS drop at all. Since DLSS on quality provided such a good result, I didn't even try turning it off.

This leads me to believe that your new config could run 4K quite well. Worst case, you can try to use DLSS on qualiy if you need more fps.

You must be looking forward to your new awesome config. Let us know how it ends up working !

[mccluckers]

Originally posted by ReaperKing:

My old system was on an Intel 6700k, 16Gb DDR4 RAm + GTX 1060 6Gb OC ... and the game ran all but stable! - Same Intel but with 3090 Ti was 40fps more, but still - still not stable or consistent framerates!

what is ur CPU and GPU usage levels when you play the game? and what FPS do you reach and how much does it drop by and how frequently does it drop ?

[ReaperKing]

Originally posted by mccluckers:

what is ur CPU and GPU usage levels when you play the game? and what FPS do you reach and how much does it drop by and how frequently does it drop ?

Combination 6700k 16b + GTX 1060 6Gb OC:
Avg. 50fps - Drops down to 18fps at some spots of the maps "reproducible".
CPU% = 50%
GPU% = 100%

Combination 6700k 16Gb + RTX 3090 Ti:
Avg. 90fps - Drops down to 28fps at some spots at the maps "reprocucible".
CPU% = 90%
GPU% = 20%

You can't figure out, what's exactly the problem, because also the S-ATA SSD will be some factor of less performance - but the old bord can't handle NVMe SSD's.

I know already, that my old system ist fairly not the best combination, to run this game, but what's really interesting is, that the Grafic-Settings doesn't even have an effect visual or in sight of performance, except DLSS!

Ambient Occlusion - should have an impact on performance and visual differences!
SSR - should have an impact on performance, but yes - there're visual differences!
Modeldetails - should have an impact on performance and visual differences!
Streaming-Cache - should have an impact on performance and visual differences!
Grafic-Quality - should have an impact on performance and visual differences!
Shadows & Reflections - should have an impact on performance and visual differences!
Shadowresolution - should have an impact on performance and visual differences!

So, everything what's counted also tested after restarts of the game, to see if the visual experience is different, but in most cases it still looks like the same!?
Also tested with different resolutions of the game, like 1080p, 1440p and 2560p - RTX 3090 Ti looks like it's bored from the game, nothing else.^^

I don't know what's going on, but what's helping a lil bit is, to deactivate "Online Gaming" at start of the game. (10-15fps + in Avg.)

I'm not that unexperienced with games and settings, I do a lot of ReShade and sometimes I do release my profiles on Nexus Mods, with great responses.
Will say, I know how to deal with my performance and get the best out of it - until I sayed "STOP! Until now but not any further!" and decided to build a new rig from scratch.

Isn't it surprising, that 7950X3D is still out of stock globally ... damn it, what thoughts had AMD, please....

[ReaperKing]

Hello @ ALL!

I'm Back!
- Finally running the 7950X3D on the ASUS ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming WiFi, cooled by NOCTUA NH-D15 "customized" by 3x Chromax.Black.Swap 150x140mm Fans.

32Gb DDR5 of 64Gb installed because of better RAM-Timings as well as higher tact... so I will resell my 2x 2x16Gb Kits and exchange it with 2x 32Gb!

- So far 5.600MT/s are the maximum I could get out of the CPU ... every CPU is different.

I was able to run the Cinebench R23 with 32Gb DDR5 @ 6.400MT/s as well as CPU-Z Benchmark for validation.

- BUT! 3D Makr kicked hard in with BlueScreens, so I was forced to take some steps downwards until I found stable 5.600MT/s. As a notice, this is the Basic-Speed the CPU should be able to run DDR5 2x2R.

It's insane, but 4x 16Gb DDR5 were stable at 4.400MT/s against the Basic-Speed of 3.600MT/s!

How ever ... this is all foreplay!^^
Will come into the game-stats fast, promise - but - some basic things must be sayed before.

- Windows is still at WIN-10 x64, but installed on 2x 2Tb NVMe SSD Kingston Fury Renegade PCIe 4.0 4x, in RAID-0 Format.

CPU is "optimized" with the CO (Curve-Optimizer):
CCD-0 (BIOS CCD1) Core 0-7 Offset = -35
CCD-1 (BIOS CCD2) Core 8-15 Offset = -27
Resulting in 5.250MHz CCD-0 Boost-Clock max. or 37116 Points in Cincebench R23, CCD-1 is at a Boost-Clock of 5.739MHz.
Watt-Consumption is down from 165W, to ~136W-peak.

This plattform is everything but easy!
So the results in the games are completely out of understnding.

K-K!
I can drive Death Stranding OC (Epic Games Store) at 1080p, with ~180fps till 120fps, with 40% GPU-Load and 50% CPU-Load.
1440p looks like the same with ~170fps till ~110fps, at 70% GPU-Load and 50% CPU-Load.

Do you understand whats going on?
- Same Drops of 60fps even on a system like that!

I will for sure Copy and Paste this comment, to take it into another report to the developers, because this game needs some more fixes to be honest!

I thought, that it might depends on system-memory, but it's not ... the game loads much but not above 13Gb in total were used!

I thought, that it's maybe depending on the lowly slowly data-transfer by the S-ATA 6Gb/s SSD, but it's not as I can now make sure with RAID-0 NVMe coupled SSD's ... I mean, on paper this means:
- 14.600Mb/s Reading
- 14.000Mb/s Writing
Shouldn't be a gamebreaker!

The Gigabyte nVidia GeForce RTX 3090 Ti with "Resizeable Bar" active is taking the game with ease, but the framedrops are still existing, no matter the higher framerate in total!

That's what I was expecting, I'm sorry, but the question was "Would the Frame-Kick!" still happen and the answer is for sure "YES!".
It's depending on the game, on the engine, the port onto PC or what ever, it doesn't matter, because the game runs as bad as I thought!

For a Tripple A Title, it's today completely regular, don't get me wrong.
Just for everyone with interests on this title, just get noticed, that your hardware-performance doesn't really matter on this game!

- You have to deal with framedrops at specific ingame-positions, where a new map-pattern is loaded.

Experiment-Ended.

As always, with friendly greetz,
Reap

[La_Chose]

Hi Reap,

You must be really happy to have this wonderful machine up and running ! The specs sound really great !

What does Death Stranding OC mean ? Is it the standard edition or the Director's cut ?

I've got a well optimized but much less poweful PC. I played the standard edition that I got for free on Epic game store. I was impressed with the stability of that game with everything set on ultra. I capped my fps at 98 fps and I have never seen it dropping lower than 97 fps through the entire story (yes, I'm one of those aweful people who can't help but playing with a fps counter...).

I had a similar problem in another game. Ultra settings or lowest settings wouldn't make any difference. It turned out to be that the game didn't like the use of an analog stick at the same time as a mouse. I remapped my analog stick to WSAD and it solved my problem. Have you tried unplugging imput devices ?

if you have the same problem with two different PC's, no matter what graphical settings you use, the problem must be somewhere else.

[THE REAL BEAUTIFUL]

I have a 7700x and a 7900xtx and I also get big frame drops. I feel like it might be an amd processor thing. I try to stay at 120fps locked but I get big dips when with notifications.

[THE REAL BEAUTIFUL]

Not to brag but I can play at 60 fps with no dips tho.

[Psyringe]

Hmm, I would have opted for a 7800X3D instead of the 7950X3D. For a gaming PC, the second CCD (that doesn't even have 3D cache) is of no use. In fact, most reviewers recommend disabling the second CCD for gaming, as it brings no benefits, but potentially confuses the OS and introduces delays when processes of the same application are spread between different CCDs. The only usecase that I see for the 7950X3D is if you want a high-end gaming rig, but also have demanding multicore productivity workloads that can use all those cores (which may be the case for you).

Personally, for a pure gaming rig, I went with an RTX 4090 and a 7700X in December (would pick a 7800X3D now, but really needed a new rig last year). I deliberately stayed away from CPUs with 2 CCDs (or Intel's P/E core architecture) because I don't trust Windows to schedule the workloads correctly in all cases.

I didn't notice any frame drops when I played the game on that rig.