Annoyed that other people can finish your roads.

[Trathan]

And to add some context, I've over 200 hours in this.
I've decided to do a run without building roads and avoid driving as much as possible (certain LL(L) tasks are the exception). The one thing that really ruins this for me is that roads can be built by other players. Apparently, the roads are linked to online/offline status and not to the share status. Which forces me into the offline world. I don't really care if they get contributed too, just that they get finished. Now, I get why it is like that. So you can help others out and what not, but for what I want to do it is incredibly frustrating as I now can't really help others out along the way. I know this is more of a hyper specific compliant but damn is it annoying.

Because I can't mark my own posts as answer, here you go.

Originally posted by Starwight/ttv:

So you DON'T want to play offline, but you also don't want to just leave the road and not use it, AND you don't want the roads there at all...

It sounds like you just don't want to use the methods to not have them, which to me, sounds like you're just complaining to complain. That's how this is coming off, at any rate.

Pretty much. I am well aware of that fact and did so knowingly. It is a hyper specific issue that really only bothers, well, me. And a couple of others apparently. I know it'll not get changed and I may get over it eventually. For now though I am having fun on this roadless run. I've never had so much Chiralium stockpiled before.

[Maverick81PL]

Play offline ;-)

[Trathan]

Originally posted by Maverick81PL:

Play offline ;-)

I'll simply quote myself. "Which forces me into the offline world." and "... incredibly frustrating as I now can't really help others out along the way." How about reading a post next time before you make yourself look stupid by saying something I already said.

[Maverick81PL]

lol what a troll

[cyäegha]

while it's hardly what i'd call a "solution" to the problem, any pavers that aren't currently connected to the chiral network (usually the case with out-of-the-way preppers like the novelist's son and the collector) will never develop at all
so if you're looking for the satisfaction of at least building a few segments under your own power, there are a few available to you that require you to expressly go out of your way to enable online contributions, as it were

Originally posted by Trathan:

Now, I get why it is like that. So you can help others out and what not, but for what I want to do it is incredibly frustrating as I now can't really help others out along the way.

that isn't really how roads work
accreditation for road completion rotates periodically - usually when you reload the game or change region - simply because in any given group of players potentially hundreds of them could have "completed" the same segment of road
in that regard you aren't any more special than anybody else is, and neither is the next guy

[Kaznafein]

You are welcome, I helped build like ~10 road segments. I'm the road goat.

[lieutenantkirtar]

The original pc version had an option that disabled shared content in your game but still allowed your structures to appear in other people's games. I can't check right now but I would hope they didn't remove that option.

[Mountain Man]

Originally posted by lieutenantkirtar:

The original pc version had an option that disabled shared content in your game but still allowed your structures to appear in other people's games. I can't check right now but I would hope they didn't remove that option.

Yes, that option is still in the game, but I'm not sure it affects roads pavers since they appear in the game world no matter what.

[Trathan]

Originally posted by cyäegha:

while it's hardly what i'd call a "solution" to the problem, any pavers that aren't currently connected to the chiral network (usually the case with out-of-the-way preppers like the novelist's son and the collector) will never develop at all
so if you're looking for the satisfaction of at least building a few segments under your own power, there are a few available to you that require you to expressly go out of your way to enable online contributions, as it were

Originally posted by Trathan:

Now, I get why it is like that. So you can help others out and what not, but for what I want to do it is incredibly frustrating as I now can't really help others out along the way.

that isn't really how roads work
accreditation for road completion rotates periodically - usually when you reload the game or change region - simply because in any given group of players potentially hundreds of them could have "completed" the same segment of road
in that regard you aren't any more special than anybody else is, and neither is the next guy

Thanks for the clarification but I have no intention of building roads or have roads built for me. As I already said, this run is going to be roadless. Well, minus the starter mission one but regardless. I've actually been enjoying figuring out and building pathing without relying on the roads to make it easy. My whole issue is that I wish I could turn off other people completing my roads without going offline. I know this will never get addressed, and how specific this is. I'm just annoyed that I can't help other people during this run because of the conditions I want to play under.

Also, because someone I know will suggest it. No, I don't want to have the roads and just not use them. The roads do prevent building and it is a hassle to try and accommodate for it.

Originally posted by Mountain Man:

Originally posted by lieutenantkirtar:

The original pc version had an option that disabled shared content in your game but still allowed your structures to appear in other people's games. I can't check right now but I would hope they didn't remove that option.

Yes, that option is still in the game, but I'm sure it affects roads pavers since they appear in the game world no matter what.

I play without sharing on as a standard. I personally feel the world gets too cluttered and I don't want the hassle of constantly removing everything. As far as I am aware, roads are linked to your online status as they are being built regardless of sharing being turned on or off.

[X33STORM]

When going to the mountains, you gonna be thankful for the ziplines, storage lockers and power placed by others.

[Trathan]

Originally posted by X33STORM:

When going to the mountains, you gonna be thankful for the ziplines, storage lockers and power placed by others.

Mountain isn't that bad. If anything, the mountain areas were what made me want to do this type of run.

[Xialoh]

You wanna swap games tc? No one ever finishes my roads. Ever. I've left parts unfinished for multiple chapters now and they don't budge. Not until I do it myself, and I'm playing fully online. There's the initial resource contribution from others (if it's even really from other players - the amount of resources in there aren't actually possible to do) and then nothing.

Doesn't look like they're getting repaired much either. One or two did, but sections are going to go down soon I suspect. Kind of makes me hate the game's concept, since I'm not benefiting much from all this supposed cooperation. Substantial contribution to almost every road and can't even get them repaired by others.

[Poppy Runner]

Originally posted by Trathan:

Originally posted by Maverick81PL:

Play offline ;-)

I'll simply quote myself. "Which forces me into the offline world." and "... incredibly frustrating as I now can't really help others out along the way." How about reading a post next time before you make yourself look stupid by saying something I already said.

Did you realize what you just said contradicts literally your post lol

[Trathan]

Originally posted by Poppy Runner:

Did you realize what you just said contradicts literally your post lol

I must be blind then because after rereading a couple of times I don't see it. Can you point it out? Cause to me it makes sense. To put it very simply, I want to help others and not be helped.

[ImHelping]

On launch I was so obsessed with doing it myself, that I built highwways EARLY, before they were on the grid.

100% on my own. Because online aid can't happen off the grid.

And... My misplaced sense of "Online is cheating and ruins the experience!" was so, so stupid. Not only was it naive "inconvenience is the same thing as depth and challenge, right?" foolishness, it also misses the entire point of the narrative. Learning to accept other people, and their help, instead of being an angry sad sack hermit who wants to 100% solo their whole life.

This is also another subject I use as proof that most people complaining about such things usually don't care about a challenge, but canned madlibs online bragging rights for the lowest bidder.

Because if I say this, I get thrown under the bus and called a casual who does not appreciate the game enough to challenge myself... Even after literally just pointed out how I made highways on 200% hard mode guaranteed zero online aid, by building them early instead of waiting for them to be on the grid then making a big show about how much I "Hate help" even as I benefit from it.

Originally posted by Xialoh:

You wanna swap games tc? No one ever finishes my roads. Ever. I've left parts unfinished for multiple chapters now and they don't budge. Not until I do it myself, and I'm playing fully online. There's the initial resource contribution from others (if it's even really from other players - the amount of resources in there aren't actually possible to do) and then nothing.

Doesn't look like they're getting repaired much either. One or two did, but sections are going to go down soon I suspect. Kind of makes me hate the game's concept, since I'm not benefiting much from all this supposed cooperation. Substantial contribution to almost every road and can't even get them repaired by others.

While I lack proof. Several playthroughs have given me a sense of..

A: highway "help" seems to be throttled heavily based on your plot progress regardless of how many aid messages pop up. Like how the Distro center south of lake will have ♥♥♥♥ all to "maybe half, tops" material added during that gameplay segment no matter how much you procrastinate... Then suddenly it will have only 200-400 material needed to finish out of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nowhere when you are heading to the west part of the map. Now that that place does not matter for progression anymore.

Also the later into the game you get, the more absurdly costly highway sections become. I get to say that, again, I solo'd highway construction at launch.

The prices are bonkers later, and this combined with the apparently plot based throttle of "free" gains is a big part of why you are feeling like you are not getting a lot of help, while people who have beaten the game or are later hype up "All the free highway sections I never helped build".... because they are mistaking progression for free gains.

Though some parts are more stubborn that others. I remember the final little bits to mountain knot loathing finishing themselves... But those last bits are basically trolling you anyways because instead of going up the obvious slope you would walk/drive up. It curls into a useless mid air zigzag for a while. Making it literally faster to ignore the last section of highway entirely, even after it is built.

B: I still do now know if highways already made can break... but I AM pretty sure you get fake "online" help maintaining them.

In past playthroughs, I lost track of how many times I would log in and see my own user name in the "repaired a highway" messages. Wow, good job somehow repairing a highway when I did not even have the game turned on, me!

[Xialoh]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

While I lack proof. Several playthroughs have given me a sense of..

That makes sense, although I still think my game is bugged or something. To put it in perspective, people say roads eventually complete on their own via story progression, yes? Well I'm at the point in the story where I'm about to take a mission to visit the "Evo-devo Biologist", whatever that means. Almost all of my pavers are on the chiral network save for one. I've completed almost the entirety of the road in the Central Region.

There's literally only 5 pavers I haven't touched yet. 3 are in the mountains, between Mountain Knot and the Weather Station. Understandable that they're not done.

The other two though? They're the two immediately as you exit South Knot City. I deliberately left them undone, because they're not necessary. All the same, they haven't budged. And as I said, I'm waaaaaay past the point where story progression there is relevant. But the road there is still incomplete.

Are there resources in it? Sure, a fair bit. But one of them is short enough that I should qualify for making a large contribution to the road's completion. And it's not a problem, as I have more than enough material to do it at this point. It's just the fact that I apparently can't get a free road no matter how long I wait. Hopefully the fake online help maintaining them comes through. Lot of segments at ~40% now and climbing.

Also I will say, thanks for making me reconsider that Mountain Knot road. I hate driving on it, and I hadn't considered just not using it. I'll have to see if that's feasible for the vehicles I'm using now, though it should be fine for the truck at least.