leaderboard cheating

[xiamanu]

Sorry for being naive, I suck at driving competitive and what not, but, just like back in WRC 7, 8... I just finished a challenge in moments ranking 3000 something, time 5:04:something, being behind best time 5:03:something. Why is this still a thing? Does it require some kind of super AI to figure out that this track record is impossible?

[Bernard The Gurnard]

No it requires someone at cm to reach deep into their pockets to find a sheett to give.

[[RXS] da| reeZe ^.-]

Originally posted by xiamanu:

Sorry for being naive, I suck at driving competitive and what not, but, just like back in WRC 7, 8... I just finished a challenge in moments ranking 3000 something, time 5:04:something, being behind best time 5:03:something. Why is this still a thing? Does it require some kind of super AI to figure out that this track record is impossible?

I dont know mate. Maybe you are right, maybe not.
I setted 3 WRs in 3 different classes on the second Monte Stage at Release time.
It was not forced, it was just driving. So a lot uplift left.
Meanwhile i fall back in WRC1 to 42., WRC2 to 3rd, JWRC to 2nd.
All times which overtook me seems legit to me and can be retaken.
But to be honest, i never drove so far on other stages or other classes in Time Trail.
I know that you can tweak, how the in-game clock works in different racing games.
But as far as i know, it is not possible in EA WRC, because the game crashes instantly when you trying to use that tweak.
It is a symptom on local running games with time uploades on any kind of leaderboard.
When you produce forced frame-skips (e.g. by hardware tweak) the clock skips some milliseconds here and there.
Games were i have tried this: WRC7/8/10, Dirt Rally 2.0, RaceRoom Racing Experience.
In WRC7/8/10 it is very obvious to figur that out. Just download a Ghost of another Player and watch his replay. Go in Onboard View and check for example the max possible speed of the car. You will see, it will drive faster then you are possible to doing so with the same car. No matter how the setup is.
The Reason for that is pretty simple, the ghost replay get streched to your frame calculation but is recorded on the frame calculation of the driver. To compensate that time difference the car get shown faster as it is.
Just because of that kind of tweak i was possible to increase my times on longer stages by over 20 seconds. Same carsetup as befor the tweak.
But as I said already, that kind of tweak is actual, as far as i know, not possible in EA WRC.
Game running instant into crash with any kind of read or write error.
Probably you saw already some discussions which: Game crashes at startup and so on.
It is the point, that the people have a slightly instable configured hardware, but they just dont know it. And not every PC User is a good technician.
And they thinking their system running smooth, because every else game works.

[xiamanu]

I appreciate that explanation, here's the link to that screenshot of said race https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3091841197
According to this the best track time is about 1.5 sec., and still my only question is, why isn't this immediately identified as wrong

[[RXS] da| reeZe ^.-]

Originally posted by xiamanu:

I appreciate that explanation, here's the link to that screenshot of said race https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3091841197
According to this the best track time is about 1.5 sec., and still my only question is, why isn't this immediately identified as wrong

seems pretty much like a exploid user. It is probably similar like it was in WRC8/10. There was also people with 30 second time on leaderboards and so on.
A decent Anti-Cheat System to block that kind of leaderboard uploades would be nice, indeed.
But in the actual Situation the only Solution to this is the same like we had to do at KT Racing.
Screenshot that cheated time (1st leaderboard position) and send a request to the developers.
The Developers will try to figur out how the exploid works, try to patch it and will remove that times.
But of course, it could take a while.

Here someone in WRC10:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2595775833

[VeeDubz]

Sucks, yes! but for moments.. as long as you hit the gold medal 👍

Unrelated.. but i currently look like a cheater, now they changed the wet physics at Oceania my WR is unbeatable (I’m now 14seconds slower) & they should have cleared the leaderboard for all the wet track stages in the same patch!

[Tony Pond]

Yeah just like Dirt Rally 2.0 they've been using Cheat Engine to slow the game down to get perfect stage times. Plus loads of cutting which also happened in DR2.0 (which according to discord PJ and CM have know ALL the cuts but chose not to release a fix due to size - would force a 100GB re-download for everyone. This also screws up the AI times [custom championship times & TT times are stored separately and you cant see the ghosts of the championship times] as on hardest settings you sometimes need a top 35 GLOBAL placement to win a stage which is of course not possible without taking the same cuts that the cheats do. VERY noticeable in Poland where its easier, safer and quicker away from the road).

Same jerks that wrecked all the stage times in WRC Gen & WRC 10, along with their riding the barriers at full throttle... Had official WRC Gen competition stages abandoned/voided due to massive cheating too.

At least you can see the cuts in CM WRC via the web site.

None of this ever gets fixed, so your best bet is to focus on PBs (Personal Bests), racing against friends who like you aren't going to waste everyone's time with cheating or just join a rally club where they get spotted and kicked quickly.

[screamin42]

Moments are not leaderboards, they have a leaderboard, but there aren't many safeguards for cheating. Moments leaderboards are the d-bag leaderboard.

[sulomies]

it's very frustrating to watch times and see that 0.0.xxx times in leaderboard. you drive you best and left behind 15sec.. WHAT, HOW.. aaa, cheating.. AAARGH.. Hate those idiots