H3 RWD class without competition?!!

[Schub69]

I like the most the RWDs in this great sim! Especially the faster ones I like the most. I like to do Time Trial for training and also to have an fair comparison to the drivers round the world on an stage and class of cars I want to drive in an specific moment.

So there are two options for me choosing a class: Group B RWD or H3 RWD!

In Group B we have an sensible and fairly distributed group of six cars. I think two of them are a tiny bit quicker than the other ones. The BMW M1 and the Lancia 037. The BMW has by far the most horse powers (430PS) but also a lot of weight with its 1150kg, so the Lancia 037 is a little bit slower overall I think with its 330PS and 970kg. But it’s cause the less weight more agile has a little bit shorter break distances and on the leaderboards there is a great chance to find an 037 on P1 on the top…

It seems to be dependent to the stage, more technical ones for the 037 or more on the straight speedy side for the BMW. But both cars can win every stage in the game I think.
Of course the quality of the driver decides which car is on p1 each stage, cause both cars has the chance to win…

On the other side there is the glorious H3 RWD Group. Of course you have to be in this class also an brilliant driver to come to P1 on Leaderboard on any stage in the sim, but there is only one option you can choose: Ford Escord MK2 Colin McRae edition!!
With it’s brilliant and relative easy handling on fast as on slow, but technical stages, it is the car to fight for the tops of the leaderboard.

That would be fine for me if that’s all, the easiest handling…
No, this MK 2 is faster than the Group B RWDs! And on the H3 class it stands completely alone. No other car of the H3s has not even close the chance to beat that car, never mind of the surface, the lay out of the stage or which weather conditions are there!!!

I love the Renault 5 in that class, for my she is an ,♥♥♥♥♥♥ French women‘ .A ,smal and quick-tempered person‘ that gives you all her love back when you could tame her!! And than the is the sound when she is crying👍👌🙌🥰….
Now back to seriousness… The sound of that Renault 5 is breathtaking and for sure one of greatest in the whole game - I instantly loved this car while going my first mile with it!!

It is a shame that you can’t go with the Renault to Time Trial and fight with it for the Leaderboard P ones. And you couldn’t do that with any car of the whole class unless it’s name is Ford Escord MK2 Colin Mc Rae…

The Escord is with its 335PS by far the strongest one, and with it’s 900kg by far the lightest one. And I tried them all for a short distance, the Escord is on top the easiest one to drive (with the BMW).
The Renault for excample has with its 270PS 65PS(!!!) less horse power than the MK2 and with it’s 970kg 70kg more weight as the MK2!! Absolute no chance to beat the Escord on any stage when two same skilled pilots are fighting for the stage win! The Ford would be the fastest one of Group B, too if it were in that class.

Look at any stage on Leaderboard - there are always only Escords in the top ten!! Two ours ago I testet the Parnassos stage in Greece with the Renault. First I have a short view to the top 30 - there are 25 (!!!) Escords in the top 30 - so boring!!
And the first of my most loved Renault 5‘s was on P65 on the leaderboard 😢…

It was an hard fight to get P15 with the smal-tempered French car for me. But no chance to break in the Escord dominated top 10🤔!!
Admittedly I am not the one who tries it 10 or more times to be ultra fast for Leaderboard (this kind of gaming is boring for me), but there was 4 serious tries and I give all I could with the smal yellow toy to get in the top ten!! Perhaps if you try it for 150 times you will get the P1 until one other same leveled Pilot tries it 5 times with the Escord…

I would have liked to see the MK1 comes with round 50hours power less in this field of the H3 to have an fair and challenging fight for H3 RWD events and not that special overpowered Colin Mc Rae MK2. What do you think?

What is your most loved car of that brilliant glorious H3 RWD Group?

[shadow82]

The Sierra is amazing to drive.

Same problem DR2.0 had, poorly put together categories. How do you think a 98 Cordoba could compete with a 2010 C4 ? :)

Have you tried NR4 with anything else than the MC-Rae car ? Same problem.

Not only that, some categories are just plain wrong. Rally 2 for instance is supposed to cover WRC2 for the 2015-2018 era, would be fine, apart for the fact that there is that Fabia 2022 in there, ruining any kind of competition too.

It is really a shame all those things dragging the game down, because the driving and stage layout (not design, which is plain and generic for 90% of the stages) are amazing. I am 70 hours in because it is fun to drive, but I always end up closing the game with a bitter taste due to all the bugs, graphics issue, poolry designed menu (seriously what was wrong with using shoulder buttons to switch between setup screens, why do I have to press twice the same amount of buttons ?) and lack of attachement to details that it could have deserved.

[Schub69]

Yes there are a few things Codis have to work on. But to select/build right classes which fight in there time irl against each other couldn’t be so difficult…

The Renault 5 for excample is from 1983, comes with an slow, old, wide graded 5 H Pattern Gearbox(like all other cars in H3 RWD class), the MK2 Escort is an 2003 build with an sequential super fast, short graded, 6 gear box.
Clearly everyone could drive the H3 cars virtually with an sequential shifter but that doesn’t help also…

When I remember right all the other cars of H3 RWD are from 1979 to 1989 and matches so fine in their group (and race against each other irl in hundreds of rally’s) and they are a real fair competition to drive virtually against each other when there weren’t these 2003er Ford…

I was an our ago with the Renault 5 turbo in Pacifica/Batukangkung, try to beat those next level Escorts - no chance!!
But with an 6:10.062 on my third try it was my first Podium for my small cheeky👍🙌!!

But also nearly half a minute slower than these OP Escorts on P1 and P2… with an 5:40 the Escorts are far faster than all Group B RWDs on Leaderboard on that stage, including the 430PS BMW M1… On P4 there was an hard to beat nice Stratos, that are the cars that are welcome in this class👍👌…

To have an nice competition for the MK2 Escorts pilots they has sorted in in the Group B AWDs!!

But it is as it is and It was a ton of fun to drive the H3 RWD Renault 5 Turbo in Pacifica!! To all who hadn’t driven it so far - you have to give it a go👍👌!! So thrilling to drive with that amazing sound and cheeky but challenging behavior, it is just one - fun pure!!!

[Tony Pond]

Yes they should have used the Renault 5 Turbo Maxi version, although technically Group B at 360HP, 900kg in 1984.

https://rallygroupbshrine.org/the-group-b-cars/rally-cars/renault-5-turbo/

Monster! Or should that be Mon Dur!

[Schub69]

Originally posted by Tony Pond:

Yes they should have used the Renault 5 Turbo Maxi version, although technically Group B at 360HP, 900kg in 1984.

https://rallygroupbshrine.org/the-group-b-cars/rally-cars/renault-5-turbo/

Monster! Or should that be Mon Dur!

You are right, would love to see the maxi in WRC 23. The best option were to have them both, like we have three Subaru Imprezas…
Thanks for the very interesting link, I have already read the whole stuff!

In Portugal on Touca I could get another Podium by my second try with the Renault 5 Turbo! In the Leaderboard of Touca the ,small cheeky‘ now stands proudly between all that overpowered Escorts…

It starts to become my absolute favorite car in the whole game and replaces the Lancia 037… I am getting better and better with it, you can beat the R5 through the corners that is unbelievable, and it is amazing to do pithy drifts with it!!

[Schub69]

And couldn’t tell you how addicted I am in the breathtaking sound of the Renault 5 Turbo - love it!!!!!