Real question, why mixed reviews?

[Not Anonymous]

I want to play but not sure why the mixed reviews. I dont wanna get dirtfive'd. Can I get a brief explanation on why?

[Pacino]

Escrito originalmente por AceMagase:

Today's games are more demanding and the average steam user is on a three generation old gpu on par with a ps3. They then blame the developers for games not running in 4k 60 fps on their gtx 1060.

One of the main benefits of PC gaming as a platform is that it's scaleable. Obviously there's going to be people that just need to upgrade their rig but your comment is a massive straw man that dismisses a lot of sloppy optimisation that has occurred over the past year. Unless it's severely dated, blaming hardware is a cop out for a complete lack of respect towards the consumer.

And if we're talking about WRC specifically... Nothing about it justifies the awful performance. There's already better looking racing games with lower demands on hardware.

[Mattmattmatt]

Escrito originalmente por stburr91:

Yes, these seem to be the most common complaints, and all are valid.

I know there are a lot of people complaining about the snap oversteer being very severe in this game. I've also had issues with severe lift off oversteer, it's so severe that it spins the car with no real chance to save it. I've never experienced lift off oversteer this severe in any racing game before.

Its valid a complaint but is it causing people to post negative reviews? If anything it seems to me the majority are happy with cars handling that way. Just like the F1 games. Its simplified to appeal to the masses who dont know how to do a Scandinavian flick but want to emulate the ones they see on TV.

Issues like this are common across all sims though. Just look at the esport guys who run unusual or extreme setup adjustments that would never be considered in real life. But are done in sim because theres no damage model for the car floors or dont simulate temperatures or wear on mechanical components.

[Tracker_168]

Performance issues for some people. Unrealistic expectations. Just hating on EA has a part in the negative reviews.

Also, lots of people without real rally driving experience thinking they know what a rally car should feel like and this not meeting that expectation. We all come to the game with an idea of what we want a rally car to feel like. Most of us have never driven a IRL rally car and base our expectations on driving our own vehicles or conditioned to think certain ways based on video games. However, there are multiple reddit posts from IRL Rally drivers who say the driving experience is quite good. Not perfect but close to IRL in many ways. That the cars handle and behave in a way they expect when they use real rally driving technique. And even though the WRC promotional video of WRC drivers is cherry picked advertising, Ott Tanak saying the car handling is "surprisingly okay" sounds genuine and might as well be the biggest positive IRL driving endorsement out there.

I wish people who rag on this game's driving physics would list their experience with Rally Driving. And its not to shame anyone, whether you come from it as a video game fan, a sim racer, a esports competitor or you are an amateur rally driver or maybe you are a IRL Rally Champion. But I think it helps us understand a person's position and credibility to comment on certain things.

There is also a possibility that more realistic does not mean more fun. And if you think about real life race car design, race engineers purposefully design cars to be easier to drive fast. No IRL racer wishes their car was harder to drive fast, harder to find the limit etc. But that might not always translate well to games.

[Bernard The Gurnard]

Escrito originalmente por waltran:

it doesn't even have half of the content that was in generations...
boring and dull stages.
arcade gameplay.
still pivot turning fundamentally broken physics.
just a snooze fest playing this game.

You appear to be a prime candidate for the good old refund option.

[Manning0151]

it literally just KT Fanboys being Mad that Codemasters did a much better job with the license, granted its not RBR and its not even as hard as dirt, but its far harder than any KTs arcade rally games, its no 'sim' but its far closer to one than a Vanilla Rally game ever has been (and before anyone says it,shut up about RBR that game needs mods, im talking plug and play experiences)

this games only issues are performance, with both Denuvo and UE4 it was always likely

also the people who say there is 'too much grip' are literally people whove never driven a rally car, Ott Tanak called the grip and physics "quite alright actually" and that he wouldnt consider them too different from real life


if your PC can handle it, get it, ignore everyone elses opinion, use your own, you can always refund it if you play less than 2 hours, or try the trial on EA Play

[PAWNSTAR]

this is relatively simple
the first hour the game likes to compile shaders while your driving in real time causing a stutter effect which makes the user want to refund the game (this disappears after a while)

The other issue is Rally sim fans compare this to other games of the series that they prefer over it. Which is the norm these days after soo many iterations of titles in every game series
Which in reality kinda like crying over spilt milk

There are definately some bugs there.
But not as game breaking as the last 2 months of newly released AAA titles

@ the cost of half a AAA game
In its current state is very fixable with upcoming patches for the sim rig specialists

[Pacino]

Escrito originalmente por PAWNSTAR:

this is relatively simple
the first hour the game likes to compile shaders while your driving in real time causing a stutter effect which makes the user want to refund the game (this disappears after a while)

The other issue is Rally sim fans compare this to other games of the series that they prefer over it. Which is the norm these days after soo many iterations of titles in every game series
Which in reality kinda like crying over spilt milk

There are definately some bugs there.
But not as game breaking as the last 2 months of newly released AAA titles

The stutter issue is very valid as it affects gameplay. And it's not reasonable to have to play for a hour just to settle the frame rate. If I want to play for 20 minutes and have a satisfactory experience, that should be perfectly reasonable.

As for comparing to other games, I also think that is reasonable. It's developed by Codemasters who have a lot of experience with rally games at this point. It's also a WRC game which has an entire series behind it. Obviously there's always going to be some fans that are disappointed but the point is that this was sub-par coming from a dev that we all know can and has done better.

(Just to clarify that while I'm contradicting your comment I'm not attacking you personally or "having a go". I've agreed with a lot of your posts I've seen dotted around the hub).

[PAWNSTAR]

could of yes, but really what can we do about it is my question?
Some peeps just constantly rant on a steam forum??

comes down to
playing what you payed for
or returning it
But an educated guess would be you all have passed the 2 hr window for refunds

we can only hope for the best in upcoming patches

[mattshep69]

Escrito originalmente por stburr91:

Escrito originalmente por Mattmattmatt:

From memory having read and watched every review until yesterday.

A good collection are bugs/crashes related to save file corruption.
Online issues/DRM complaints.
Performance/stuttering.
Stages and road surfaces are far too consistent safe and lacking in visual identity.
Poorly thought out career mode.
AI balance (which has been an issue with every codies game).

Yes, these seem to be the most common complaints, and all are valid.

I know there are a lot of people complaining about the snap oversteer being very severe in this game. I've also had issues with severe lift off oversteer, it's so severe that it spins the car with no real chance to save it. I've never experienced lift off oversteer this severe in any racing game before.

Try Dirt 4 that had those issues but worse than this game.

[Pacino]

Escrito originalmente por PAWNSTAR:

could of yes, but really what can we do about it is my question?
Some peeps just constantly rant on a steam forum??

comes down to
playing what you payed for
or returning it
But an educated guess would be you all have passed the 2 hr window for refunds

we can only hope for the best in upcoming patches

My situation is stupid. Last month I paid for a month of EA Pro just so I could play and beat Jedi Survivor. Which I did, within two days. But I forgot to cancel so I got an extra month which is why I'm able to try out WRC. As I've said, I think the game itself plays well and the content is good. I don't know if it's "realistic" but as much as I've enjoyed DR2, it does feel like bomb disposal. Until I'm brave and privileged enough to participate in a real rally event I'll never know. I just can't excuse the performance issues when they still don't even have the graphics drivers available.

[mattshep69]

Escrito originalmente por Pacino:

Escrito originalmente por PAWNSTAR:

this is relatively simple
the first hour the game likes to compile shaders while your driving in real time causing a stutter effect which makes the user want to refund the game (this disappears after a while)

The other issue is Rally sim fans compare this to other games of the series that they prefer over it. Which is the norm these days after soo many iterations of titles in every game series
Which in reality kinda like crying over spilt milk

There are definately some bugs there.
But not as game breaking as the last 2 months of newly released AAA titles

The stutter issue is very valid as it affects gameplay. And it's not reasonable to have to play for a hour just to settle the frame rate. If I want to play for 20 minutes and have a satisfactory experience, that should be perfectly reasonable.

As for comparing to other games, I also think that is reasonable. It's developed by Codemasters who have a lot of experience with rally games at this point. It's also a WRC game which has an entire series behind it. Obviously there's always going to be some fans that are disappointed but the point is that this was sub-par coming from a dev that we all know can and has done better.

(Just to clarify that while I'm contradicting your comment I'm not attacking you personally or "having a go". I've agreed with a lot of your posts I've seen dotted around the hub).

If you played DR2 at release it was much worse than this game. Codies have done OK when you take a broad view. The stutters at certain points on the track are still an issue in places with DR2. No patch yet but after the first three or four the game will be pretty top notch when compared to all other Rally games.

[PAWNSTAR]

haha i just came off 300 hrs of forza motorsports and its kinda dead due to how busted the game is.

The thing about WRC is , it works as intended

I mean you could sit there a reminisce about your love and lust for other games and compare apples to apples
but your playing 2023 EA SPORTS WRC

If you play a variety of other car games and then jump into codemasters games
You will find codemasters games to be locked on a rail similar to mario kart

[stburr91]

The mixed reviews are not surprising, the game does have legitimate performances issues, the game's graphics aren't anything special, and the stages are somewhat bland. Also the cars drive quite a bit differently compared to DR2.

Truthfully the mixed reviews are a pretty good representation of the game itself, which is pretty mediocre.

This isn't me saying the game is bad, but the physics, and handling really does need quite a bit of refinement, and the stages need an overhaul adding much more detail to the road surfaces. With some improvements, this could be a pretty good rally game. I'm pretty sure the physics, and handling with get refinements, but unfortunately, I doubt that the stages will get the added detail to the road surfaces that they desperately need.

[Pacino]

Escrito originalmente por PAWNSTAR:

haha i just came off 300 hrs of forza motorsports and its kinda dead due to how busted the game is.

The thing about WRC is , it works as intended

Yeah I hear you. I tried Forza and deleted it quite quickly due to how awful the performance and handling was. Then I decided I was too rash and installed it again.... Got annoyed and deleted it again for the same reasons. I play Gran Turismo 7 and the Assetto Corsa games mainly so decided I'm good regardless. That was a shame though, I had high hopes for that game.

[vroumcesoir]

Performances excepted, I saw a lot of reviews from people who seem to discover that Codemasters is mainly a studio of arcade/simcade, and that Dirt Rally 1 and 2 were an exception to the Dirt licence. They expected a Dirt Rally 3, and WRC takes the backlash. Even if they manage to fix the game, I'm afraid the purists will keep whining.