What are the Darkspawn?

[rman88]

You know, thinking about this game some more. and watching someone play threw the original game. I realized something about the dark spawn. They are not the same Darkspawn that was in origins. They are not even close to being actual darkspawn.

In origins, you are quickly revealed what the dark spawn is. After you did your little origins segment, still one of the best intros to a game ever. But ehh, besides the point. You are shown How Brutal they are. They are Cunning, vile and evil. They enjoy torturing and murdering anyone in their path. Hell, one of the first thing you see while gathering darkspawn blood is Solders, Strung up like a banner welcoming you to to the swamp.

This shows that not only are they Evil. But they are also capable of doing relatively frivolous things. A sign of a culture we do not actual understand. This is compounded by the class system they have. Higher ranking members are clad in more exotic and heavier armor. where the lower class has more generic and simpler armor.

this is compounded with their actual goal. Being declared by the chantey as A Sin humanity has brought upon the world. A punishment, if i recall from using magic. Which in all honesty drives one of the core plot points threw out the entire series. That their desire kill everyone is a punishment by the gods. And they are driven to do it by an almost hive mind like entity known as the arch demon.

In reality, you could really compare them to say the Zerg or the tyranids. A hive mind of various races all following a single goal. Which is to wipe out the world above. Created as a punishment by the gods. Or if your a dwarf, a punishment for digging to deep.

Now what is it this game? It is more or less a zombie plague. They no longer wear armor. They no longer seem to have a cast based system. They are not organized. they do not do sadistic acts anymore. They act more like a Necromoph then they do a darkspawn. Where their only goal is to kill, Regardless of personal survival.

Hell i don't even know how wardens work anymore. As how could tapping into the hive mind work. If the only thing you sense is, Me hungry go eat raww..

[Xazomn]

Originally posted by nuther:

Originally posted by Xazomn:

They used Veilguard as a big step towards new sequel games. Younger players in my eyes. DAV doesn't feel for me as an adult game and i feel if i am treated as a pre-teen. Nothing in it breath DA lore as a few lick here and there that you can taste a littlebit with your toungue that is is DA

It cant be aimed at pre-teens, can it?
Its rated mature and has tons of trans stuff in it.

maybe it is because i am closer to 54 then 18 that i find it very childish , the speech, the monsters, nudity and romance. People that played DA from the beginning, they are 15 years older, but they made their game more childish not for the real DA gamers at all that played them for so long. The game could be more mature then they did now.

[rman88]

You know, i can't help but also bring up the demons. The demons were always something special. Based upon 7 deadly sins. each sin having its own ranking. Where rage is the weakest of demon and Pride is the strongest.

You can really tell them apart in the previous games.

Rage demon being a Ball of living flame.

Lust or desire being a hot sexy demon women.

Pride demon being a Tall, massive hulking figure. With horns in the shape of a crown.

Now everything looks the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ same..

[MASTERCHIEF]

Originally posted by rman88:

You know, i can't help but also bring up the demons. The demons were always something special. Based upon 7 deadly sins. each sin having its own ranking. Where rage is the weakest of demon and Pride is the strongest.

You can really tell them apart in the previous games.

Rage demon being a Ball of living flame.

Lust or desire being a hot sexy demon women.

Pride demon being a Tall, massive hulking figure. With horns in the shape of a crown.

Now everything looks the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ same..

i never knew the demons were based on 7 sins. interesting. pride demon was very iconic and consistent till inquisition .

[Oceuss]

Darkspawns are like the rest : something with an idea, a purpose, inside this universe, covered by mysteries.

Now they have been repurposed to something totally different with a both disappointing and convenient explanation, the core idea has been destroyed in the process, and there's no mystery about them.

They are a clear representation of Veilguard's take on the Dragon Age universe : nothing is sacred and everything can be re-arranged as much as the writters want. They are writting, making an explanations is not hard especially when they are always counting so much on "magic", or, to translate and paraphrase a meme from french roleplayers, "But shut up, it's magic".

It is no surprise everything seems so magical nowadays when back then, magic was... kind of pretty rare outside of the main plot, and it was rare in the main plot outside of Inquisition too? Magic is just a lazy answer to anything in fantasy, it's why good magic ask for being really rare or have solid rules. If not, you are ending with this kind of thing : this whole thing being established is retconned to oblivion because of new magic shenanigans.

So yes, this is nothing like darkspawn, grey wardens are not needed to fight them in reality, and the explanation ends up being "but it's justified, they are magically modified!".

Nice.

[BrattyPhoebe]

Originally posted by rman88:

Funny thing is, The gods Canonically least when it comes to the Maker and the chantey. Were the ones who made the dark spawn to begin with. Now was it the Maker that made them? The Elven gods that made them? Who knows, that is one of the biggest mysteries of the franchise.

So by that logic, Said elven god could have been the one who made them. And it decided to Ruin their unstoppable horde...

Hell by that logic why are they even using the arch demons? The arch demons are the Biggest weakness of the dark spawn. Why would they Just get rid of the Arch demon and have them act upon like.. a greater Group hive mind. Their fore they cannot be defeated by killing the arch demon...

As right now, their is Nothing actual scary about them. as a bunch of mindless animals charging at you. Is less scary then a 7 foot tall man clad in Full plate brandishing a great sword with enough Jagged edges that Shadow the hedge hog would be jellos.

Someone not gotten all the Regrets of the Dread Wolf, because actual origin of the Blight explained pretty thoroughly.

The Blight is the severed dreams of the Titan which Solas did to beat them and thus caused Dwarves to lose their magic. Without their dreams the Titan's are mindless thus why the blight is so horrific and uncontrollable. It also explains why more of it in the Fade. Lastly, what started the war with Titan's is the Evanuris made their spirit bodies from the Lyrium of Titan's.

[rman88]

look i only played really origins. so i have no idea what the regrets of the dread wolf is..

That said it being the tears of a titan bla bla. look i don't care that the dwarfs lost their magic and yada yada.

[MASTERCHIEF]

Originally posted by rman88:

look i only played really origins. so i have no idea what the regrets of the dread wolf is..

That said it being the tears of a titan bla bla. look i don't care that the dwarfs lost their magic and yada yada.

hey man that is a critical point in veil guard. i get it if you dont like the explanation (even i dont) but saying i dont care and mocking it will only derail your point.

[Solus Hunter]

Originally posted by Xazomn:

Originally posted by DaisyRay:

A lot of people miss the parts where they explain and show that the darkspawn has changed. They are no longer what they used to be, but now what a certain someone changed them into.

I didn't missed that and i found it not fitting with the lore that was in 3 games. It's cheap writing if you change so easy the way Darkspawn is and made them generatic pawn. Yeah, very exting .

My first Ogre i met in DAO was oh my god, that is a big thing. And it looked angry. The ogers in DAV are, sorry that i say this. Laughable, it was not oh my gosh he is big but i laughed because they look so goofy. Childish and not scary. I like to being get scared when i play, reason why i like to wtach horror movies. They don't even deserve to be named Darkspawn...

The Ogres look like they've been taking Ozempic.

[rman88]

My entire point was that this ruined the dark spawn.... it actual helps my point.. As not only dose it overly explain it. It dose it in a way that is Dumb.

Used to be, o the maker sent the dark spawn to pay for your sins. now it is some dumb eldritch crap.

[BrattyPhoebe]

Originally posted by rman88:

My entire point was that this ruined the dark spawn.... it actual helps my point.. As not only dose it overly explain it. It dose it in a way that is Dumb.

Used to be, o the maker sent the dark spawn to pay for your sins. now it is some dumb eldritch crap.

Yet you not even played it so seems odd you are complaining about a game you have not played and lore implications. It just feels petty.

[rman88]

Says the person who missed the entire point. isn't that pretty petty. Did you not read why i compared Dragon age origins to the Vail guard depiction of the dark spawn? How they are pretty much not even the same thing. Their might as well be separate entities.

So yes, you kinda missed the entire point of this thread....

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Originally posted by MASTERCHIEF:

i never knew the demons were based on 7 sins. interesting. pride demon was very iconic and consistent till inquisition .

Yep this was one of the things that defined the setting and created a sense of uniqueness to the franchise...that Veilguard removed and made some silly cartoony designs to replace.

[rman88]

You know, everything about the old game was unique. take dark spawn behind it. No one knew where exactly they came from. The chantey, the leaders of the largest religious origination viewed it as The maker punishing those for using magic.

Dwarfs on the other hand just believe they exist. Their is no actual reason for it. they are just a force of nature. Why dose iron exist? Why dose rock exist? It exist just because it exist, just like the dark spawn.

Likewise, the Tevinter have their won beliefs. That they are an ancient force that existed before time and will exist past it.

Their was so many answers to the question. but really no one knew for sure. that was an amazing way of handling this. Not o their titan tears... Like dam might as well Explain cuthlu was just Cosmic dust landed on the planet and it became fish people.

ITs also kinda funny, as if you know anything about the story. The elven gods revive the last 2 arch demons. Therefore the dark spawn are irrelevant. Their are no more arch demons. No arch demons means no more dark spawn.

[BrattyPhoebe]

Originally posted by Vixziค็็็็็n:

Originally posted by MASTERCHIEF:

i never knew the demons were based on 7 sins. interesting. pride demon was very iconic and consistent till inquisition .

Yep this was one of the things that defined the setting and created a sense of uniqueness to the franchise...that Veilguard removed and made some silly cartoony designs to replace.

Incorrect they merely showed each sin had nuances to it which is why you get Demons of Desperation for instance or Pride Demons that took control of a Dragon. Even in Inquisition we were seeing each sin had nuances.

[Silhouette Fleur]

Dear oh dear.

It's explained during the game that we are seeing a different, and much older strain of darkspawn.

For all we know, they may have been laying dormant.
Some have clearly decomposed so much that their faces are just bones.

Sufficed to say we're probably seeing first or second Blight darkspawn, not fifth like we're used to.

As to what they are, and their potential culture.
We know that there are a couple ways of making them.
A highly infected woman of any species can be turned into a brood mother.
Simple infection alone can turn people.
Over time it even turns the wardens.

Some are more intelligent than others, most of them are soldiers from many different ages of Thedas, they know how war tactics work, some may even remember home life, some definitely remember construction as evidenced by Schwartzehaupt.

Then you have folks like The Architect and Corypheus.

They were also an allegory for impending climate change at the time.
Politicians politicking as the problem grew worse.
Oily black in reference for the release of carbon destroying the world and poisoning everything it touched.
And most importantly, people that were driven to madness to destroy.
Existential and insurmountable.