IGN did a poll in their latest article. 90% want the old style games

[a few rabbits]

https://www.ign.com/articles/dragon-age-the-veilguard-is-at-war-with-itself

[nekadnow]

Messaggio originale di bayomaycry:

Messaggio originale di Dragonborn:

Dragon Age has been a game that for me decreased with each new version. Origins was my favorite, 2 - we lost the customization of our main character, 3 was more enjoyable than 2 for me and 4 lost its grit became to cartoonish does not have a world ending feel, character companions are not very interesting and the story would progress fine without them with the exception of Davrin and the possible return of Griffons. . Taash's story forces you to accept her as non-binary no option for you to have opposition views including her leaving the group because you don't accept her

'' Taash's story forces you to accept them as non-binary no option for you to have opposition views including them leaving the group because you don't accept them ''

fixed it for you transphobe. <3

"Transphobe" is pretty synonymous with "magic" isn't it? How does he shoot fire? It's magic. How does someone have a valid argument countering what I believe? It's transphobia!

[Overlord1993]

Messaggio originale di Rabidnid:

Messaggio originale di mps:

Didn't one of the DA devs for Veilguard say no one wants an Origin type game? Pretty out-of-touch if so.

DA:O is like Morrowind, the man hours in that game would never pay off if they tried to make it again. And also the die hard fans are a minority of the number of people who would buy the game and be disappointed if it was not a point and click RPG like veilguard.

We aren't a viable demographic for the way games are made now so we get ignored a lot.

They literally spent 10 years or so on this game, so it's definitely not a question about time or manpower. And BG3 definitely shows that we're not a small or niche audience and that Bioware can make games that plays like the ones from their glory days and still be successful.

[dulany67]

Messaggio originale di GM Morgan:

Well, yeah. I think the biggest complaint about every DA game is that its not Origins. Each game has moved further into RPG territory and away from its roots. I'm enjoying DAV and I still want a proper CRPG Dragon Age.

And yet Inquisition is almost as preferred as Origins. I like DAV also but you should accept that that it has significant drawbacks.

[Mewsha]

The rebranding of DAO as a game for CRPG purists is one of the most bizarre and unexpected things to come out of all this.

Back in my day BG2 fans were upset about how much action elements were incorporated into what was then being called the spiritual successor to BG2.

I have to wonder just how many people played Origins, and how many people played BG3, hear people say that Origins is a CRPG, and say they want that.

The combat in Origins is bad and carried entirely by party AI. Bioware still wanted the DA series to have CRPG roots, but they created an unholy mixture as a result of the success they saw with ME being an action game.

I'd like a CRPG DA game, but let's not get it twisted. The story and world building is what hard carried DAO, not the combat. Inquisition has a lot in common with what Origins was trying to accomplish, except it didn't have exceptional AI to sweep for it so its a pain to replay without mods all around.

[Mewsha]

Messaggio originale di bayomaycry:

Messaggio originale di Mewsha:

The rebranding of DAO as a game for CRPG purists is one of the most bizarre and unexpected things to come out of all this.

Back in my day BG2 fans were upset about how much action elements were incorporated into what was then being called the spiritual successor to BG2.

I have to wonder just how many people played Origins, and how many people played BG3, hear people say that Origins is a CRPG, and say they want that.

The combat in Origins is bad and carried entirely by party AI. Bioware still wanted the DA series to have CRPG roots, but they created an unholy mixture as a result of the success they saw with ME being an action game.

I'd like a CRPG DA game, but let's not get it twisted. The story and world building is what hard carried DAO, not the combat. Inquisition has a lot in common with what Origins was trying to accomplish, except it didn't have exceptional AI to sweep for it so its a pain to replay without mods all around.

i'm totally fine w/ arpg DA, shrug.

As am I. I'm glad that the gameplay identity crisis is over. I can't think of a game that does both in a satisfying manner, and I personally prefer when an RPG sticks to one, and optimizes that instead.

That's not the point though. It just seems like people are mindlessly saying CRPG=good and ARPG=bad and then reframing the combat in Origins to fit that shallow narrative.

Origins inspired much of BG3, especially its companions and romance, but where you see it the least is in BG3's combat. Referring to Origins as a CRPG without elaborating conjures up a very different image than how Origins plays.

Again, I have to wonder how many of these people have actually played Origins, or played it the past few years without nostalgia goggles.

BG3 was streamlined and made less complex to reach a wider audience, true, but Origins attempts to blend CRPG and ARPG and it just never quite landed.

It alienated people who actually play CRPGs not only because of Bioware's legacy (oh how history repeats itself), but also because the genre was pretty much dead by 2009. It wasn't revived until the Kickstarter craze of the early 2010s. For action fans, specifically people familiar mainly with ME, they didn't enjoy it either because it's quite clunky compared to that game.

Inquisition's combat landed with a thud, and ultimately was labeled inoffensive by the majority of players because they stick to difficulties where tactics are optional, and that's the most successful launch Bioware had until that point. It's largely unsurprising that this is the combat we got, and all things considered it's very well done and seems like its the thing that survived the many development direction changes this DA4 suffered.