Remember not to pre-order!

[JB]

We want good games!
Good games are not made, if we all pre-order!

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by Meg J:

Serious question, what's the difference, in terms of signaling to the corporations, if I pre-order vs. buy it day 1 at launch? I haven't pre-ordered because I don't know which system I'm playing on yet, but I would have by now if I were 100% sure how I wanted to play it.

There is basically zero difference. First, what you alone do will not move the needle perceptibly. Second, if you are going to buy either way, all you are doing is MAYBE moving revenue to a different quarter. But depending on how EA recognizes revenue, they may not put your purchase on the books until they deliver the game anyway. But let's say they do immediately recognize the revenue: unless they are trying to make up for a particularly bad fiscal quarter, they won't care all that much when you pay them, so long as you don't wait so long that the game is reduced in price.

So basically, do you.

[Meg J]

Originally posted by Jusenkyo7:

Originally posted by Meg J:

Serious question, what's the difference, in terms of signaling to the corporations, if I pre-order vs. buy it day 1 at launch? I haven't pre-ordered because I don't know which system I'm playing on yet, but I would have by now if I were 100% sure how I wanted to play it.

There is basically zero difference. First, what you alone do will not move the needle perceptibly. Second, if you are going to buy either way, all you are doing is MAYBE moving revenue to a different quarter. But depending on how EA recognizes revenue, they may not put your purchase on the books until they deliver the game anyway. But let's say they do immediately recognize the revenue: unless they are trying to make up for a particularly bad fiscal quarter, they won't care all that much when you pay them, so long as you don't wait so long that the game is reduced in price.

So basically, do you.

Thank you! If there's something I really want to play, I play it day 1. That's only ever happened once (twice if you count when BG3 released on PS5, because I did not have a PC at the time). And it'll happen again for Veilguard. The "no pre-order" crowd is tiring me out!

[Uncle Crabs]

After that last Bioware game that I played, I'm a bit hesitant to pre-order this game.

[Kirothy]

Ah well I will explain! high preorder will show that game in high demand and developers can start calculating profits, open slots for team members to assign them to DLC development and plan for the next game.
Low preorders will signal EA that game won't sell well and later on lead to layoffs or moving developers to different inner projects. Or throw more money in to advertisement.

So there is no real difference if you preorder or not.

As for myself there is not a single companion I want to romance so I skip this game until this changes somehow. If Bioware add new companion I will buy a game. If modders do the job, I'm better pay modders and wait for game huge discount or borrow it from a friend.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by criffyzou:

Originally posted by Kirothy:

Ah well I will explain! high preorder will show that game in high demand and developers can start calculating profits, open slots for team members to assign them to DLC development and plan for the next game.

Unfortunately I don't think it works like that anymore.
The industry boasts about record profits yet we've seen a truly outrageous amount of layoffs last year, and this year already too.
The industry is dying, killed by corporate greed. We can't try to apply reason or logic to what's happening.

It might still work like that to some extent. But given that BioWare already had some significant layoffs, my guess is that they won't make any new staffing decisions until they see how this game performs during at least the first month or two after release, not just preorders.

And I doubt anyone at BioWare, other than maybe a small team working on early ME5 development, is going to focus on anything other than Veilguard until after release. They only have those two games to think about, and they very clearly know that a LOT is riding on this one.

[kinna]

Pre-ordering is perfectly valid. Not everyone has a stable job, so if a game you're interested in comes available and you happen to have the extra money at that moment, it's easier to buy it then, rather than wait and possibly not have the money to waste on a game when it comes out.

[Jedasd]

Even with the marketing is going at full speed, game is not in top 100 of Steam pre-orders. Not looking good so far for The Veilguard, I wouldnt be too surprised if there were even some cancellations after gameplay showcase.

[Dark red Knight]

Originally posted by Jedasd:

Even with the marketing is going at full speed, game is not in top 100 of Steam pre-orders. Not looking good so far for The Veilguard, I wouldnt be too surprised if there were even some cancellations after gameplay showcase.

i mean its still showing up in the top 100 for my country and its been fluctuating sometimes higher, sometimes lower but none the less still in the top 100

[Jedasd]

Originally posted by Dark red Knight:

i mean its still showing up in the top 100 for my country and its been fluctuating sometimes higher, sometimes lower but none the less still in the top 100

Your country's pre-order numbers are also in the global nubmers and so far highest number game reached was 103 and currently its at 107.

Kingdom Come 2 meanwhile is at 70, which is a game with a smaller budget and smaller marketing force than what EA has and still has 6 months before release unlike The Veilguard's 2 months.

[Blaizeplays]

Originally posted by Jedasd:

Originally posted by Dark red Knight:

i mean its still showing up in the top 100 for my country and its been fluctuating sometimes higher, sometimes lower but none the less still in the top 100

Your country's pre-order numbers are also in the global nubmers and so far highest number game reached was 103 and currently its at 107.

Kingdom Come 2 meanwhile is at 70, which is a game with a smaller budget and smaller marketing force than what EA has and still has 6 months before release unlike The Veilguard's 2 months.

Oh wow, the drive to support smaller studios is working, let's use it as a metric to trash games we aren't interested in.

[Jedasd]

Originally posted by Blaizeplays:

Oh wow, the drive to support smaller studios is working, let's use it as a metric to trash games we aren't interested in.

I may not understand it but I completely respect your decision to defend the soulless product of a billion dollar company that was salvaged from a live service game.

[Shadow♥]

Originally posted by Sciophyte:

If anything is a "stain on gaming," it's the Steam Forums...

This is very true as lately there are people who move from new game to new game just to say negative things just to make the forums a toxic place, so to combat this, I try to post positive things about the game because I am very excited for it .

[Blaizeplays]

Originally posted by Jedasd:

Originally posted by Blaizeplays:

Oh wow, the drive to support smaller studios is working, let's use it as a metric to trash games we aren't interested in.

I may not understand it but I completely respect your decision to defend the soulless product of a billion dollar company that was salvaged from a live service game.

The change from the live service was the first major change in development, before Bioware released Anthem. That's many years ago. It's not like they changed they're minds right before release and honestly given how long ago it was likely means nothing to the final product.

[Jedasd]

Originally posted by Blaizeplays:

The change from the live service was the first major change in development, before Bioware released Anthem. That's many years ago. It's not like they changed they're minds right before release and honestly given how long ago it was likely means nothing to the final product.

I unfortunately watched the high level combat footage they released and can no longer live in that fantasy world of rebooting the game from live service to fully singleplayer meant they started from scratch.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by Jedasd:

Originally posted by Blaizeplays:

The change from the live service was the first major change in development, before Bioware released Anthem. That's many years ago. It's not like they changed they're minds right before release and honestly given how long ago it was likely means nothing to the final product.

I unfortunately watched the high level combat footage they released and can no longer live in that fantasy world of rebooting the game from live service to fully singleplayer meant they started from scratch.

Why? Mass Effects 2, 3 and Andromeda had very similar combat, and were not live service games.