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[Яeplicant]

That's not how it works but okay, 'lil parrot.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Originally posted by LeftPaw:

Like I said m8, all the hope in the world won't save it. That's all I'm saying. It will be another Starfield or worse. Yes you get a few hanging around singing it's praises, as you do, but inevitably it will be forgotten in the time it takes to spit.

Yet, if they have gone light on the woke zhite it might gain some fandom. I have a high tolerance for that krap.

Save it from what?
You? me? young people?
I am not interesting in this DA. I am not praising it, its the opposite of what I want.. but I am a realist, the last 2 DA, was not really for me either, but now its stepped into an abyss I can´t follow it into (mostly gameplay related obviously)

But you make this all about some American trend war.. I think that is the wrong way to look at it.

This is getting ridiculous at this point.

Whatever crap they decide to put in it, woke or non-woke i can at least say that from what i'm seeing people are bashing the art style way too damn much.

When DAI released 10 years ago and went with a more bright or colorful theme you didn't hear people calling it "it's too much like Fortnite" or that it's Fortnite-esque instead the main complaints were the open world and the side content since it was mostly pretty bad.

Hell if anything people at the time were actually excited to explore Thedas and see what it had to offer, unfortunetly the open world was pretty bad with tedious side content.

Now just because it "looks" kinda the same in terms of art style although from the demo i thought it was a bit more darker - now though people just start bashing on it for pretty much anything... i seen people complain about it not being like DAO... i mean ffs WAKE UP - DRAGON AGE has not been like DAO since 2011 when DA2 came out and 2014 when DAI released.... of course they're not gonna be going DAO in terms of combat - it was literally the ONLY game in the series to use that type of combat.

BUT does that mean they didn't listen to fans - i wouldn't be so sure because otherwise they wouldn't have got rid of the open world, return to linear story missions and actually even go the extra step and put an almost mass effect-like combat system which let's be real it never hurt MASS EFFECT ever.

I am not trying to defend either EA or BIOWARE but at least us the fans should give it a try - what the hell are we even doing on this FORUM talking about the damn game if we are just outright going to dismiss it ??

And i'm talking about us older fans, if not even we don't give it a chance who will ?

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

This is getting ridiculous at this point.

Whatever crap they decide to put in it, woke or non-woke i can at least say that from what i'm seeing people are bashing the art style way too damn much.

When DAI released 10 years ago and went with a more bright or colorful theme you didn't hear people calling it "it's too much like Fortnite" or that it's Fortnite-esque instead the main complaints were the open world and the side content since it was mostly pretty bad.

Hell if anything people at the time were actually excited to explore Thedas and see what it had to offer, unfortunetly the open world was pretty bad with tedious side content.

Now just because it "looks" kinda the same in terms of art style although from the demo i thought it was a bit more darker - now though people just start bashing on it for pretty much anything... i seen people complain about it not being like DAO... i mean ffs WAKE UP - DRAGON AGE has not been like DAO since 2011 when DA2 came out and 2014 when DAI released.... of course they're not gonna be going DAO in terms of combat - it was literally the ONLY game in the series to use that type of combat.

BUT does that mean they didn't listen to fans - i wouldn't be so sure because otherwise they wouldn't have got rid of the open world, return to linear story missions and actually even go the extra step and put an almost mass effect-like combat system which let's be real it never hurt MASS EFFECT ever.

I am not trying to defend either EA or BIOWARE but at least us the fans should give it a try - what the hell are we even doing on this FORUM talking about the damn game if outright dismiss it ??

And i'm talking about us older fans, if not even we don't give it a chance who will ?

I don´t think the artstyle of DA:I was good! I hated it, way to bright and more high fantasy, than dark fantasy in my opinion... DA2 was already leaping towards that, but despite it being the worst (gameplay wise) it was not a disaster in that department.

But the problem is, that I (and most likely you) are focused on DA:O... a cRPG.. none of the two other games have been RPGs, so it seems pretty weird to expect the 4th one to be so suddenly.. it wont be..

The combat shown in DA:TVG however trumfs everything.. this is much more simplistic than even DA2.. this is basically something you could play on your mobile phone without hassle (I´ve seen this) its not tied into any RPG aspects, its not tactical either.. its just full blown action.. with a few smash abilities...

Yes alot of "old fans" like you are me wont give this a chance... but what does it matter, when the younger generation beat is in numbers and are stocked for this.. I have students (young adults) that say they look forward to this, they are extremely hyped.. one even said "this will be RPG of the year".... to them an RPG is a game where you play someone... nothing more is linked to it..

Trying to fight chance, is like trying to punch air... what we can do is support games that cater to our bias.. there are still many developers that do that and yes, there is also younger generations that like more complex games, but they are a minority (like us) but they will still be there, so its feasable to give us what we want, but not most of the time..

9 out of 10 publishers/developers will choose a game that is as broad as possible and as modern as possible when looking at a new game development.

This is the reason why I say, if you want a cRPG, remember to buy not just the huge ones (like BG3) buy everything you can that seems decent.. that is the only way to showcase that its feasble to develop them.. (BG3 did wonders for us)


BG3 is a special case however, because (this might interest you) DND is on the rise, even with the younger generation.. yes DND one will be more streamlined and simplistic.. but it will still be DND and the more people that are into stuff like that (plenty of other stuff too, both TT and various others) the bigger chances, that we will see influence from it in the future and games for it.

I don't know man... i will be buying it regardless of how good or bad it will turn out.

I admit i'm a big fan of BIOWARE and their games and i love MASS EFFECT and DRAGON AGE series a lot so for me it will be a buy for sure.

As for CRPG genre - maybe it's just me not being a big fan of them, like i said for me, i just liked all of the games from DA series no matter which direction they took went in... i don't consider them bad especially DAO and DA2.

DAI was also really amazing for me, yes the open areas with side content were annoying and tedious but i still had FUN playing all games in the series regardless of wether or not they would be in the CRPG genre although only DAO would fit since DA2 and DAI would be ARPG genre.

For me with the exception of Anthem and Andromeda i loved pretty much all of BIOWARE's games so i'm gonna try them out regardless of how they turn out - i owe it to myself to try them otherwise i literally wouldn't give a crap what games they release.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

I don't know man... i will be buying it regardless of how good or bad it will turn out.

I admit i'm a big fan of BIOWARE and their games and i love MASS EFFECT and DRAGON AGE series a lot so for me it will be a buy for sure.

As for CRPG genre - maybe it's just me not being a big fan of them, like i said for me, i just liked all of the games from DA series no matter which direction they took went in... i don't consider them bad especially DAO and DA2.

DAI was also really amazing for me, yes the open areas with side content were annoying and tedious but i still had FUN playing all games in the series regardless of wether or not they would be in the CRPG genre although only DAO would fit since DA2 and DAI would be ARPG genre.

For me with the exception of Anthem and Andromeda i loved pretty much all of BIOWARE's games so i'm gonna try them out regardless of how they turn out - i owe it to myself to try them otherwise i literally wouldn't give a crap what games they release.

You claim to be a BioWare fan, but not really a cRPG fan.
That makes me think you are a somewhat newcomer to the gaming scene or BioWare games.

I respect your choices ofc, just seems odd to disregard the companies golden era with a more modern one.
Its perfectly fine to "try" out games, but if you do that, then you support the direction! In such situations my opinion is that you give away your rights to be angry if the next game goes into the same direction.

Newcomer ?

Dude i played EVERY single BIOWARE game since KOTOR 1 in 2003 - the only ones i didn't play were BG1 and BG2 mostly because i wasn't really into fantasy that much at the time.

Hell i think i even played that third person shooter they made MDK2 from 2000

I understand that they started out with CRPG as their genre but i liked their MASS EFFECT series and DRAGON AGE series a lot even IF 3 out of 4 DA games are not CRPG games.

For me BIOWARE's golden era was basically 2007-2014.

In my opinion that's when they established themselves as an amazing studio with their ME and DA series which are among the best to ever exist in my opinion.

[Mewsha]

DAO was not a CRPG. It was an ARPG with a dash of CRPG mixed in. By the late 2000s the CRPG genre was dead in the water. It didn't fully start coming back until the kickstarter craze of the early 2010s. DAO actually got a lot of criticism at the time from CRPG purists, and people who were unfamiliar with CRPGs could find the combat tedious. It was not universally beloved, and I think people forget that. A sequel wasn't always on the table either. The reason we got those well received slides at the end is because they thought there wouldn't be a sequel. It was the only way they could think to tie up plotlines.

It's also why DA2 was so rushed. They didn't have a lot planned, and EA put on the pressure like they usually do. While DA2 isn't fun to play, the good Bioware writing is still there. They were going to do ARRG regardless though. ME was wildly popular at the time.

It's just really strange to see people rewriting history because to me 2009 was not that long ago. I'm assuming if we're complaining about zoomers that we were all at least young adults back then.

Every DA game has felt very different from one another, so if you're truly a fan of the series this is not a new experience. What's unfortunate is that their marketing team seems to be suffering from peter pan syndrome. What was hot in 2013 is not hot in 2024. In fact, a lot of what was popular then is considered cringe now. That teaser did them no favors.

The reason people have always loved DA is because its lore and characters, not really its combat. Each game suffers from serious flaws gameplay wise, but they're fondly remembered because the story aspect is what ties them together and makes them worth playing.

Personally, I thought Inquisition was beautiful, and besides the Bioware hair it still holds up today visually speaking. Bioware has said several times that Inquisition was its most successful launch ever. I'm not really surprised that this like Inquisition.

I do wonder what Veilguard would have looked like if BG3's success happened during development though. That's another game the 'go woke go broke' people swore back in August would sink Larian, and it ended up being the best game of 2024 and making them money that would make any soulless EA bigwig jealous. I wonder if it would have been more tactical because that game has so much of DA's DNA, some of the companions feel like straight up copies (Dorian/Astarion etc.) and it is a proper CRPG, if a little on the shallow end of the genre.

Frankly most people are not into the culture war ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, even some of the culture warriors aren't as I see them on almost every forum collecting steam awards. Most people are just looking for a good time and if the lore of previous games is respected (and not retcon'd), then I'm fine with a pure ARPG. What I hope never makes it back in is the gameplay bloat and lack of direction that Inquisition suffered from. I'd be surprised if they missed all the Hinterland jokes.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by Mewsha:

DAO was not a CRPG. It was an ARPG with a dash of CRPG mixed in. By the late 2000s the CRPG genre was dead in the water. It didn't fully start coming back until the kickstarter craze of the early 2010s. DAO actually got a lot of criticism at the time from CRPG purists, and people who were unfamiliar with CRPGs could find the combat tedious. It was not universally beloved, and I think people forget that. A sequel wasn't always on the table either. The reason we got those well received slides at the end is because they thought there wouldn't be a sequel. It was the only way they could think to tie up plotlines.

It's also why DA2 was so rushed. They didn't have a lot planned, and EA put on the pressure like they usually do. While DA2 isn't fun to play, the good Bioware writing is still there. They were going to do ARRG regardless though. ME was wildly popular at the time.

It's just really strange to see people rewriting history because to me 2009 was not that long ago. I'm assuming if we're complaining about zoomers that we were all at least young adults back then.

Every DA game has felt very different from one another, so if you're truly a fan of the series this is not a new experience. What's unfortunate is that their marketing team seems to be suffering from peter pan syndrome. What was hot in 2013 is not hot in 2024. In fact, a lot of what was popular then is considered cringe now. That teaser did them no favors.

The reason people have always loved DA is because its lore and characters, not really its combat. Each game suffers from serious flaws gameplay wise, but they're fondly remembered because the story aspect is what ties them together and makes them worth playing.

Personally, I thought Inquisition was beautiful, and besides the Bioware hair it still holds up today visually speaking. Bioware has said several times that Inquisition was its most successful launch ever. I'm not really surprised that this like Inquisition.

I do wonder what Veilguard would have looked like if BG3's success happened during development though. That's another game the 'go woke go broke' people swore back in August would sink Larian, and it ended up being the best game of 2024 and making them money that would make any soulless EA bigwig jealous. I wonder if it would have been more tactical because that game has so much of DA's DNA, some of the companions feel like straight up copies (Dorian/Astarion etc.) and it is a proper CRPG, if a little on the shallow end of the genre.

Frankly most people are not into the culture war ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, even some of the culture warriors aren't as I see them on almost every forum collection awards. Most people are just looking for a good time and if the lore of previous games is respected (and not retcon'd), then I'm fine with a pure ARPG. What I hope never makes it back in is the gameplay bloat and lack of direction that Inquisition suffered from. I'd be surprised if they missed all the Hinterland jokes.

Dude i know like that's what i've been saying this entire time.

Pretty much every DA game was different and just like you said the reason why people love it myself included is for the lore and story, the fact that i did enjoy the combat in all 3 games was also a good thing.

And yeah DAI did look amazing graphically, it still holds up even today i'd say.

Like pretty much all of us who liked MASS EFFECT and DRAGON AGE back in the day i think we all still like BIOWARE since we were there when they started having success, we were there to see them establish themselves into the amazing studio they became even IF they had flops like Anthem and Andromeda that doesn't mean they still can't release good games.

[Mihai_89]

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

Newcomer ?

Dude i played EVERY single BIOWARE game since KOTOR 1 in 2003 - the only ones i didn't play were BG1 and BG2 mostly because i wasn't really into fantasy that much at the time.

Hell i think i even played that third person shooter they made MDK2 from 2000

I understand that they started out with CRPG as their genre but i liked their MASS EFFECT series and DRAGON AGE series a lot even IF 3 out of 4 DA games are not CRPG games.

For me BIOWARE's golden era was basically 2007-2014.

In my opinion that's when they established themselves as an amazing studio with their ME and DA series which are among the best to ever exist in my opinion.

Then you are not a newcomer obvious and di play and enjoy cRPG´s.
BioWare did not debut with that title ofc ^^
The point was, that you think their Action Adventure era is thair golden era, while I think their first cRPG era is their golden era..

The new generation will think the next 5-10 years will be the golden era...

It showcase that we are different in taste and most likely also generation.

Like i said i played their games and i consider 2007-2014 to be BIOWARE's golden era.

As for CRPGs i really can't say if it's my favorite genre or even a genre i like much - i enjoyed DAO but that was mostly because it also got me hooked with story, characters, lore, the fact that i liked the combat was probably more of a bonus than me loving the genre itself.

I also did play BG3 which is a CRPG but i didn't finish it since i probably don't have enough patience and time for it, it's definetly very slow-paced however i do consider it a very good game, i did enjoy what i played just takes a lot of time to progress in the story i'm not really sure i want to put around 100 hours in the game.

That was actually the same problem i had with DAI even though it's not an CRPG - the fact that it took close to 100 hours to finish since the areas were big with tedious side content is why i only finished that game 1 time.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by FreshRevenge:

Originally posted by MaxSettings:

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Just because someone is trans doesn't make it DEI.

they just want an excuse to be transphobic.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by LeftPaw:

Originally posted by pr1mus:

they just want an excuse to be transphobic.

You know very well that's a lie.

the thread is just a link to a trans woman's twitter profile and people calling her a mentally ill cosplayer instead of iterating on this "DEI" claim.

if you can't read the first comments in this thread then i don't know what to tell you.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Both based on 7 deadly sins.

"ackshually being gay is a sin"

this never gets old.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Oh, I'm not religious and never was. Still, the goal of the naming was crystal clear as pride is considered to be the worst of 7 sins.

what is crystal clear, that pride refers to "gay pride" rather than hubris/ego? you said both applied, so you tell me.

BESIDES, even if the "pride demon" was such a correlation; it wouldn't be particularly tactful if the demons you were fighting were representing gay people with its naming convention, if anything that just sounds more like homophobia to me.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Butcher:

The naming convention of "pride" was clearly aimed to piss off christians.

why would christians be pissed off by calling demons a supposed allegory of "gay people"? seems like the sort of thing they'd be in favor of.

and that's assuming they think "pride demon" to mean "gay pride demon".

Originally posted by Butcher:

it would be truthful because as I said both are based on 7 deadly sins.

which sin does being gay full under, again?

[Drake Ravenwolf]

Originally posted by Mihai_89:

I don't know man... i will be buying it regardless of how good or bad it will turn out.

Vote with your wallet, if you want more modern slop, then buy it, but if you want better games then at least wait 2 years and only buy on a discount.

[Drake Ravenwolf]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Drake Ravenwolf:

Vote with your wallet, if you want more modern slop, then buy it, but if you want better games then at least wait 2 years and only buy on a discount.

Why would you buy it on discount? That is what I don't understand. You still can't resist to play it?

Apparently, he can't

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Butcher:

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Let's not pretend they picked the name randomly.

i doubt the origin for those things came from the seven deadly sins, it isn't like that it's sinful to be proud of something.