What do the devs have against beauty and making conventionally attractive characters?

[Daijin]

Seriously, the females in this game have literal male bodies and it's impossible to give them a slender and curvy figure.

[FallCoffee]

Messaggio originale di Dee:

Well, actually, if a woman would be swinging sword all day, she probably would have a very athletic body. Which means - small chest. I have been working out for some time and let me tell you, when you loose body fat, the chest is the first one to go. That is a reality. So any argument regaring “average cup is C” does really not take that into consideration to be honest.

Still, we should be able to do that I guess, for mages it would still kind of make sense.

A very silly argument based on one sample population.
Many women that lose weight still retain their cup size. of course that isn't true for all, or you in this case. No one ever loses weight in the places they want without hard work. Same is true for cup sizes.

[JerBeware]

Messaggio originale di Nanaluki:

Messaggio originale di JerBeware:

I wouldn't say it's an ugly character.

However, the character looks off. Not sure if it has to do with the overall exaggerated/almond head shape, the oversized eyes, or something else. The facial tattoos don't help.

She has facial tattoos because she's a Dalish Elf, and every single Dalish elf since the first game in the series has had them because it's part of their culture.

Like, have any of the people complaining here ever even played any of the Dragon Age titles?

You asked for an honest response and I gave one. You then changed the discussion into something else. Why?

Yes, I've played all entries in the series until now. I understand why Dalish have tattoos. I said they don't help. How you managed to draw your conclusion while still ignoring pretty much the entirety of my comment....

Sounds like you may be a little disingenuous and too emotionally invested to have a rational discussion.

[Nanaluki]

Messaggio originale di Ultima:

Messaggio originale di Nanaluki:

Even the poster this was directed to originally admitted she's not ugly before you inserted yourself, you're either a liar or an ogre shagger lol

Beauty is subjective, mate.

Yes, but I'd like for you to point out what exactly are the "masculine traits" of that character, since a big claim from people here is that "it's impossible to create feminine characters in this game"

[Nanaluki]

Messaggio originale di vera32_2000:

Messaggio originale di Nanaluki:

You don't even know something so basic about the very first game of the series as the classes available, and yet you're larping all over the sub as if you're some "old times disgruntled Dragon Age Origins" fan.

Stop clowning

Do not blame me for your reading and /or understanding problems.
I said nothing about DA
One more time - someone describing a thing old as dinosh...t as innovative does not know a thing.

bro I remember your username, you were larping about being a disgruntled long time dragon age fan just two days ago

[kinna]

Messaggio originale di Vixziค็็็็็n:

Messaggio originale di kinna:

But that was not the point of the Matt Rhodes quote. The stakeholders wanted to erase all or most flaws and quirks that humanized them, and the team worked hard to keep them from turning into just dolls.

I agree that characters can be made attractive and still have flaws, and the way I see it, Bioware has always been good at making good looking characters that also have flaws. And so far this game seems to be on same level as any previous game (sure, the characters might turn out to be pretty much flawless but considering the writers I doubt it). And it seems there are many others who also feel the same way about the characters attractiveness. But then there are also many people who don't find them attractive. And Bioware can't possibly please every potential customer out there.

Hell, that has pretty much been the case the whole time. Any Bioware game, all the way from BG, has had fans who like all the characters, those who like some of them and those that don't particularly like any of them. So which of these fans should Bioware listen to?

Simple. The majority.

But how can you get the majority? Especially in such a subjective matter as attractiveness? If you ask about a million people what they find attractive in a cast of game characters, you are going to get pretty wide array of answers. Then you must pick from those and try to implement them to other character concepts without making them similar while still appealing to those majority likes and so on... Do you see the problem?

Or then you create the kind of characters you want, have a reasonably sized test group and adjust accordingly. Some people will be happy, others might not. It is too bad that there are those that don't like the characters, but the sad reality is you can't please everybody.

[JerBeware]

Messaggio originale di Nanaluki:

Messaggio originale di Ultima:

Beauty is subjective, mate.

Yes, but I'd like for you to point out what exactly are the "masculine traits" of that character, since a big claim from people here is that "it's impossible to create feminine characters in this game"

I don't recall any one saying it's impossible. You're also mixing two different things. The appearance of characters in the world/companion characters with character creator options.

You essentially cherry-picked one, then got mad people still disagreed.

As a I said before, it appears you aren't interested in a rational discussion about these things, but instead are being disingenuous and coming off as emotionally charged.

If you're someone looking forward to the game - great! I hope for you it is an enjoyable experience.

But those voicing their concerns are just as valid.

[DMaster2]

Messaggio originale di Ffabbia:

It has never even occurred to me to use a videogame for purposes of sexual gratification. If I want to "relieve myself" there are far better alternatives.

Have you ever considered stepping away from the computer and finding a girlfriend?

Then why there are sliders for balls and other stuff? Don't be an hypocrite buddy, either you condemn every single sexualization option (both male and female) or you should support both of them. Being ok with one and against the other is literally being an hypocrite.

[Nanaluki]

Messaggio originale di JerBeware:

Messaggio originale di Nanaluki:

Yes, but I'd like for you to point out what exactly are the "masculine traits" of that character, since a big claim from people here is that "it's impossible to create feminine characters in this game"

I don't recall any one saying it's impossible. You're also mixing two different things. The appearance of characters in the world/companion characters with character creator options.

You essentially cherry-picked one, then got mad people still disagreed.

As a I said before, it appears you aren't interested in a rational discussion about these things, but instead are being disingenuous and coming off as emotionally charged.

If you're someone looking forward to the game - great! I hope for you it is an enjoyable experience.

But those voicing their concerns are just as valid.

I didn't cherry pick, it's literally the third named female NPC you meet in the prologue, the previous two being Harding and Neve.

[JerBeware]

Messaggio originale di Nanaluki:

I didn't cherry pick, it's literally the third named female NPC you meet in the prologue, the previous two being Harding and Neve.

And you selected that specific character because...?

[Kegbelly]

Messaggio originale di kinna:

Messaggio originale di Vixziค็็็็็n:

Simple. The majority.

But how can you get the majority? Especially in such a subjective matter as attractiveness? If you ask about a million people what they find attractive in a cast of game characters, you are going to get pretty wide array of answers. Then you must pick from those and try to implement them to other character concepts without making them similar while still appealing to those majority likes and so on... Do you see the problem?

Or then you create the kind of characters you want, have a reasonably sized test group and adjust accordingly. Some people will be happy, others might not. It is too bad that there are those that don't like the characters, but the sad reality is you can't please everybody.

i agree broadly kinna but putting stops in so you cant make a character to your preferance cause bioware suddenly finds it offensive is not good character creation, honestly in a single player game where your not impacting on anyone you should be able to make a scorching hot female if you want too (in your mind )

[McM2000]

Messaggio originale di Nanaluki:

Messaggio originale di McM2000:

You wanted an honest answer and I gave it to you!

Even the poster this was directed to originally admitted she's not ugly before you inserted yourself, you're either a liar or an ogre shagger lol

Messaggio originale di Ultima:

Messaggio originale di Nanaluki:

Even the poster this was directed to originally admitted she's not ugly before you inserted yourself, you're either a liar or an ogre shagger lol

Beauty is subjective, mate.

Right. I prefer elves that look like this: https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/4875

Do you see the difference? I don't mean the race. That is irrelevant!

i like the eyes of the Veilguard NPC but as far as aesthetics go...what is with her haircut? Looks like she took the sword and cut it herself! If there is a lore to that haircut (she is a certain elven warrior etc.) that would be OK for me. But I guess that isn't the case here!

[kinna]

Messaggio originale di Kegbelly:

Messaggio originale di kinna:

But how can you get the majority? Especially in such a subjective matter as attractiveness? If you ask about a million people what they find attractive in a cast of game characters, you are going to get pretty wide array of answers. Then you must pick from those and try to implement them to other character concepts without making them similar while still appealing to those majority likes and so on... Do you see the problem?

Or then you create the kind of characters you want, have a reasonably sized test group and adjust accordingly. Some people will be happy, others might not. It is too bad that there are those that don't like the characters, but the sad reality is you can't please everybody.

i agree broadly kinna but putting stops in so you cant make a character to your preferance cause bioware suddenly finds it offensive is not good character creation, honestly in a single player game where your not impacting on anyone you should be able to make a scorching hot female if you want too (in your mind )

Where did Bioware say good looking characters are offensive?

Bioware has always been a bit crappy with the CC in some ways. And Veilguard offers the most customization out of any Bioware CC, this is even the first time they even implemented proportions (chest and butt sliders could do more work), so I don't see how you couldn't create a good looking character if you were able to in the previous games.

I've seen some pretty good creations even while avoiding many videos to avoid possible spoilers. Sure, there are some goofy looking options too, bit show me a CC where that wasn't the case (Oblivion randomiser anyone?).

But then again, if someone only thinks that big boobs and butts make good looking characters, well...those kind of characters have never really been in Bioware games (except Isabela in DA2 and maybe Miranda Lawson).

[Nanaluki]

Messaggio originale di Ultima:

Messaggio originale di Nanaluki:

Yes, but I'd like for you to point out what exactly are the "masculine traits" of that character, since a big claim from people here is that "it's impossible to create feminine characters in this game"

Can you make a character with larger than B-cup?
Can you make a woman that has glutes that measure up to 50-60 inches? Limited to a very flat butt?

If not then that's the problem. They're excluding the vast majority of women from the game despite marketing inclusivity as important to their design philosophy. By excluding those women, they're saying beauty is not subjective.

The video which showed the sliders which everyone is losing their minds and memeing over was of an elf character, who have canonically ALWAYS been the most slender[i.imgur.com], almost underweight-like race in the series. The Dragon Age elven females have literally never been traditionally "curvy".

They've always been like that, why is this an issue now?

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Messaggio originale di kinna:

Messaggio originale di Vixziค็็็็็n:

Simple. The majority.

But how can you get the majority? Especially in such a subjective matter as attractiveness? If you ask about a million people what they find attractive in a cast of game characters, you are going to get pretty wide array of answers. Then you must pick from those and try to implement them to other character concepts without making them similar while still appealing to those majority likes and so on... Do you see the problem?

Or then you create the kind of characters you want, have a reasonably sized test group and adjust accordingly. Some people will be happy, others might not. It is too bad that there are those that don't like the characters, but the sad reality is you can't please everybody.

Because there is a standard of beauty that exists and is accepted by the majority. It wouldn't be called the standard if it wasn't. And no you aren't going to get a wide array of answers you're going to get the same ones about general features. Now if you get into the minutia sure such as eye color or hair color for example but most people agree on what attractive looks like. Many a study has been done on this.

[Nanaluki]

Messaggio originale di McM2000:

Messaggio originale di Nanaluki:

Even the poster this was directed to originally admitted she's not ugly before you inserted yourself, you're either a liar or an ogre shagger lol

Messaggio originale di Ultima:

Beauty is subjective, mate.

Right. I prefer elves that look like this: https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/4875

Do you see the difference? I don't mean the race. That is irrelevant!

i like the eyes of the Veilguard NPC but as far as aesthetics go...what is with her haircut? Looks like she took the sword and cut it herself! If there is a lore to that haircut (she is a certain elven warrior etc.) that would be OK for me. But I guess that isn't the case here!

The actual elves in DA:O look nothing like that, that's literally a mod lol