Liara, Miranda, Tali and Jack

[SparkzMentalz]

I guess we'll never see feminine looking women like that again in these new Bioware games going forward lol.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by Ultima:

Originally posted by Jusenkyo7:

Same with pervy Korean video games.

Also, you can probably replace century with millennium. If nothing else, there are centuries-old depictions of tentacle sex in Japan.

Makes sense. Both are extremely honor-driven cultures. There are consequences for everything, and that stuff is one of the consequences of that. Whenever you try to suppress humanity's nature, there are consequences for it, like the most socially conservative and homophobic republican congressmen having a pattern over the years of being caught being in the closet gay men themselves.

I agree completely.

And by the same token, I have no problem with a developer making Space Marine 2 as a counterpoint to games like Veilguard. Both games will have their fans (sometimes even overlapping fans). And if one or the other is more successful, other studios may draw lessons from that. Or just say “♥♥♥♥ it” and make the game they wanted to regardless, and roll the financial dice.

[Grimno]

Originally posted by Ultima:

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

Odd list. LIara is asexual. Miranda is the clone of a man, Tali has no face, and Jack is literally the poster child of women not being feminine.

I love them all, but this has never been Mass Effect.

Come on man, you know what people mean. Miranda and all of these others are physically attractive in a way that's taboo in modern gaming and people are tired of it. What's wrong with one wanting conventionally attractive female characters?

Those four being "conventionally attractive female characters" did nothing for the overall enjoyment of the game..
Because real men ran with Garrus and Grunt/Wrex and called themselves "The Boys"

Liara was neat in the first game, Miranda was replaced asap, Tali was only useful in the 3rd game and Jack? Jack was recruited, dismissed from the party, and never talked to again.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by Ultima:

Originally posted by Grimno:

Those four being "conventionally attractive female characters" did nothing for the overall enjoyment of the game..
Because real men ran with Garrus and Grunt/Wrex and called themselves "The Boys"

Liara was neat in the first game, Miranda was replaced asap, Tali was only useful in the 3rd game and Jack? Jack was recruited, dismissed from the party, and never talked to again.

Garrus was my man! But you know what? You rarely see that anymore. There are no more bro characters in games. That's part of why Space Marines 2 is such a breath of fresh air. You can't go five minutes without hearing "brother" and constant powerful nonverbal gestures. The grunts and what not, all of that stuff. It felt so cathartic. How often do we get characters like Wrex or Garrus anymore?

I mean, Andromeda had Drack, my favorite Krogan ever. Inquisition had Iron Bull (or Varric for a thinking man’s bro). And Davrin seems pretty bro-ey.

[SparkzMentalz]

Originally posted by Berries and Cream:

Originally posted by SparkzMentalz:

I guess we'll never see feminine looking women like that again in these new Bioware games going forward lol.

Miranda, Liara etc all the ME2 and ME3 females were extremely offensive for modern audiences, so much that they had to censor Miranda's butt in the mass effect remaster.

Truth is that modern audiences dont like "unrealistic unobtainable beauty standards" which is sexist, misogynist and highly offensive.

Bioware's new dev team censored Miranda's butt on their own accord to coincide with their agenda and to mark off their political checklist.

A woman's butt being "sexist, misogynistic and highly offensive is ridiculous. Bioware is at a point where the character creator matters more than the game's story. They worry so much about inclusion they end up excluding everyone else.

I've even seen comments from gay gamers that feel offended of Bioware catering to their community and disagree with Bioware's agenda marketing.

[Dexter in the Dark]

Originally posted by Berries and Cream:

Originally posted by SparkzMentalz:

I guess we'll never see feminine looking women like that again in these new Bioware games going forward lol.

Miranda, Liara etc all the ME2 and ME3 females were extremely offensive for modern audiences, so much that they had to censor Miranda's butt in the mass effect remaster.

Truth is that modern audiences dont like "unrealistic unobtainable beauty standards" which is sexist, misogynist and highly offensive.

they did not censor her ass, you can still pan the camera and see it, all they did was remove a few unnecessary butt shot form the cinematic as an artistic choice nothing more nothing less. that has to be the biggest nothing burger in the history of gaming

[Dexter in the Dark]

Originally posted by R-Boni:

Originally posted by ghostbuster6969:

they did not censor her ass, you can still pan the camera and see it, all they did was remove a few unnecessary butt shot form the cinematic as an artistic choice nothing more nothing less. that has to be the biggest nothing burger in the history of gaming

If it was "nothing", why did they change it?

if i had to guess they probable felt the shots undermined the serious of the scene they where portraying, but in truth i have no idea nor do i care, if they change something that affected the story or character then i would be upset but dropping a couple shots of an ass dose not bother me

[SparkzMentalz]

Originally posted by Romo:

Originally posted by SparkzMentalz:

Weird? Talk about the pot calling the kettle a pot lol.

I'll never understand the hate for heterosexual men and feminine women. You're only defense is to shout offensive labels like "weird", "chud" etc to justify your hatred of feminine looking women for whatever reason.

And why do you care if I necro'd the thread? If it bothers that much just ignore this thread and keep it moving.

You will never underestand the hate for heterosexual men and feminine women because it’s not real. Literally. A couple conspiracy YouTube videos and angry divorced men telling you so does not mean it’s real

You're angry reply labeling me tells me it's real.

[Romo]

Originally posted by SparkzMentalz:

Originally posted by Romo:

You will never underestand the hate for heterosexual men and feminine women because it’s not real. Literally. A couple conspiracy YouTube videos and angry divorced men telling you so does not mean it’s real

You're angry reply labeling me tells me it's real.

Wasn’t an angry reply, just in disbelief that there are real people that think bait and fake outrage is real.

[[Heretic]Rivga]

Originally posted by SparkzMentalz:

I guess we'll never see feminine looking women like that again in these new Bioware games going forward lol.

The revisionist history here is amazing - you are telling me you'd not be on the forums crying if Jack's was released as a character now?
Or Tali or Liara.

Even at the time there was people complaining about "only one good female character".

[Nattfare]

No one is mentioning Samara for some reason.

[Kaolan Enjoyer 27]

If any of those women came out today I bet anti-wokes would insist they're ugly.

[nekomajinheika]

Op is essentially complaining about the fact modern bioware doesn't acknowledge or attempt to make anything appealing to the male gaze directly, when in the past from Mass Effect to Dragon age they did.
I don't think people will ever stop drooling over og Morrigan ha.
Is he right?
Being fair yes, he basically is, modern Bioware doesn't really do sexy in a way the average guy is gonna get a ton out of on a visual level.
I'm not out here on the hate campaign or anything but I'd be lying if I said any of the new companions are attractive to me for the most part.
It does feel like they're sorta ignoring the male fanbase on the romance front, but what are you gonna do?
Sexy is sorta taboo these days in the industry if we're talking for straight guys.
I don't think it's really a defeat or loss to admit that given how obvious it is these days.
That said I'm not saying it exists nowhere.
BG3 strikes a nice balance, meanwhile Stellar blade is balls to the wall horny and personally I find that refreshing given how sexless a lot of mainstream games are.
But if we're talking the western mainstream?
Yeah, I'd say sex appeal aimed at men in the games industry is pretty taboo.

[nekomajinheika]

I also think all the venom dredged up on this topic has done seemingly irreparable damage to the ability to ever discuss it in good faith.
Honestly the whole conversation would go over better if people were more open to the fact sex appeal is subjective but design tropes aren't, and the idea that a shift in the accepted things you can portray in media is sorta just a thing that happens with time no conspiracy required.
The people who made Dragon age Origins aren't the same people who made veilguard, and on top of that dragon age has almost no consistent anything at this point.
So it's not really a shock the two games approach female characters and what sex appeal they have or lack differently.

[nekomajinheika]

Originally posted by Ultima:

Originally posted by nekomajinheika:

I also think all the venom dredged up on this topic has done seemingly irreparable damage to the ability to ever discuss it in good faith.
Honestly the whole conversation would go over better if people were more open to the fact sex appeal is subjective but design tropes aren't, and the idea that a shift in the accepted things you can portray in media is sorta just a thing that happens with time no conspiracy required.
The people who made Dragon age Origins aren't the same people who made veilguard, and on top of that dragon age has almost no consistent anything at this point.
So it's not really a shock the two games approach female characters and what sex appeal they have or lack differently.

Both posts, well said.

I get that the culture war has basically made discussing sex appeal in gaming radioactive, but people are really missing out on an interesting topic of discussion when they're stuck in overly reductive narratives, ya know?

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by bayomaycry:

Once again, Jack is far from feminine LMAO.

Okay? Can you answer my question? When is the last time we had a female character run around practically topless?

We'd complain she has no boobs. (see a dozen other threads on the forum today)