Glutes and Breasts Max Sliders sucks

[Breaker]

At least on Elf's the Max Cake sucks, I don't know if this goes for all races, but what is it with modern developers and their sheer hate for true femininity and beautiful women?

It's clear to me that this game has Baby Sweet Inc. Written all over it, what a shame, I was actually looking forward to this game despite the fact that the trailer was terrible.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

Yeah but they still let you do it, didn't they.

yeah, and when you equip armor the changes you made disappear, would it be okay if you could make a character with K cups if it means they turned into A cups once you put on clothing?

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

Because it's not at all difficult to implement morphs on sliders in a character creator or to apply morphs to a character when they equip certain pieces of clothing or equipment. If they couldn't figure that much out, they've got bigger issues.

if it's not difficult at all then why aren't developers doing it? lol, what's a game where assets conform to these permutations?

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Hex: Onii-Chan:

Yeah. It would be crazy demanding. So demanding, only crazy advanced games like Dark Souls could ever hope to achieve that, around the year 2078

good job pointing out a game that doesn't have bust sliders. ;)

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Hex: Onii-Chan:

Your argument was that it would be too hard to make armor fit, go gaslight somewhere else ^^

it does, we're talking morphs and sliders and how armor doesn't conform to those permutations you can create, you brought up Dark Souls which has presets.

but hey, nice buzzword at least!

[Redil X]

Originally posted by pr1mus:

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

To be fair, if the character creator is indeed as restrictive as some people make it out to be, that would appear to be a politically or ideologically motivated decision in itself.

why would it be politically driven rather than it being a limitation of the engine and the surrounding systems around it?

The top scar's option is the sign that the slider limit was a political decision. In a fantasy world with no silicone but with magic. Top scars are just a shallow attempt to be "inclusive". Most people with scars would much rather not have said scar's. As for software being the problem I mean that goes back to the DEI hire practice. How about getting someone who can do the job instead of tick a box since many other games do it well.

A quick google search of bust slider's provided even some indie game's (Sims3, Black Desert Online, She Will Punish Them, League of Maidens, Phantasy Star Online 2, Saints Row games, Dragon's Dogma 1 - 2, White Knight Chronicles, Star Trek online and so on)

But this just further proves that bioware of old has gone all we have left is the name. Remade with people who were hired for there jiggly bits, melanin count or sexual orientation instead of qualifications.

But overall nothing wrong if you like this game but do not be blind to the reason's behind the desgin choice. The addition of the scar's while a token gesture is a step forward but limiting the sldiers was a step back. To be truly diverse means to include not exclude other choices. The biggest tragedy is the butchering of the qunari from DA2 Arishok and DAI qunari to this is such a bad design choice.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Hex: Onii-Chan:

Those deformations don't have a functional difference in their creation compared to other body-deformations, like hip-size. Especially when it is as exaggerated as is possible in Dark Souls. So yeah, you are trying to gaslight by pretending otherwise and making it seem like I missed the mark.

yap yap yap, you did miss the mark, Dark Souls has preset body types, it is entirely irrelevant in the discussion about armor conforming to custom morphs because that's not something Dark Souls does, you brought it up as if that technology is present in that game when it demonstratively isn't.

Originally posted by Redil X:

The top scar's option is the sign that the slider limit was a political decision.

because a scar is superficial and easier to implement, it doesn't have any bearing on what armors look like which is something body sliders do complicate and compound.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Zarddin:

Is it not stupid that i na world with healing magic, shapeshifting magic and even magic items that let you totally change how you look and your gender there exists doctors that will cut someone boobs off and that someone will not get healed by mage just so they can have a scar reminding them that their delusion will never be reality

cause there are rules to magic, it isn't just a license to do whatever you want for whatever arbitrary reason.

for instance healing magic has its limits, Anders (a mage) ran a clinic in DA2 where he explicitly tells people he cannot mend a broken bone of a client with magic, you have actual doctors in the DA universe that will rely on the sciences to do those procedures.

The Surgeon can initially be found in Skyhold's courtyard, helping injured soldiers and civilians. She's very busy and states that she should focus on the wounded, but takes some time to tell the Inquisitor how she's been helping the pilgrims in simple ways, setting broken bones and performing simple amputations. When the Inquisitor further asks about the injured, she replies that there's fewer by the day, as some heal while others pass away. She tries to make their passing painless. However, the most grievously wounded never made it to Skyhold in the first place.

The Inquisitor can also ask her whether healing shouldn't be left up to mages, but she retorts that good health isn't magic, but science, and depends on diet, exercise and a balance of the humors.

https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Surgeon

Shapeshifter is a mage specialization in Dragon Age: Origins which allows a person to transform their body into the form of an animal.

https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Shapeshifter

shapeshifters cannot transform into humans, Morrigan tells you this explicitly if you ask her if she can shapeshift to change her appearance.

the idea that scars don't exist in Dragon Age whenever you are healed with magic is conjecture on your part,

Originally posted by Zarddin:

instead of just you know... changing their gender permanently with magic?

such magic doesn't exist, it's why there are surgeries instead. :)

i'm done lecturing you now, if you want to understand the DA lore you should go play it yourself rather than spouting how you expect magic to work in Dragon Age like a tourist would.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Mirror_of_Transformation

yes, the deus ex machina of games having the "transformation mirror" trope is something put into the game to cater to players want to recreate their characters without restarting the game and not something i consider canonical to the lore. :)

if we do start counting it canonical to the lore, we can open the flood gates on that and just start suggesting Qunari's weren't redesigned, they merely just used the Mirror of Transformation, new darkspawn and demon designs suck? Mirror of Transformation et cetera.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

I mean it's in the game and it's canonical. There's no argument about that. Why do you force yourself into a corner with these disingenuous and bad arguments? lol

how are you going to say i'm disingenuous when you're invoking the freaking Mirror of Transformation as the plank that covers the plothole?

why does Iron Bull miss an eye if he can just use the mirror? why does the Inquisitor not regain his amputated arm using the mirror? why don't the Grey Wardens cure their blight with the mirror? why are these so many bald people when you can use the mirror? why didn't Arl Eamon use the mirror? you're just exchanging yourself with a different version of yourself from the apparent Dragon Age multi-verse.

why even use the mirror to remove your breasts if you can just exchange yourself for a version that isn't transgender? seems like the more logical and practical usage of the mirror anyway.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

it's a magical object which allows you to change sex. pr1mus' argument was that there wasn't anything in the setting that would allow you to change sex.

no, you do not change your sex, you become a different person entirely as per the flavor text. "you" are not in the equation anymore.

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

Originally posted by pr1mus:

why even use the mirror to remove your breasts if you can just exchange yourself for a version that isn't transgender? seems like the more logical and practical usage of the mirror anyway.

Congratulations, you just arrived at the position of the user you were originally arguing against, LOL

no, your position is that you can use the mirror to change a specific characteristic which is something you can't do, you're not changing something about yourself, you become an entirely different person from a different universe.

you can make the similar argument that you get your top surgery scars via the mirror by exchanging yourself for a version of yourself that is transgender and got the surgery in the universe where they originate from, funny how these deus ex machina devices where you can make literally anything up and have it be canon works out, huh?

Originally posted by Hex: Onii-Chan:

Yeaaah, but the technology is being used tho, you just keep moving the goalpost until there are no true scotsmen XD

not my problem magic doesn't work the way you want it to. ;)

but hey, according to Mr. Mirror of Transformation we can just invoke the mirror to get the surgery in a universe where science does exist if it's all the same to you, sorry just following the canon of the lore where we just make everything up.

[Greyhawk The Angry]

Originally posted by Redil X:

Originally posted by pr1mus:

why would it be politically driven rather than it being a limitation of the engine and the surrounding systems around it?

The top scar's option is the sign that the slider limit was a political decision. In a fantasy world with no silicone but with magic. Top scars are just a shallow attempt to be "inclusive". Most people with scars would much rather not have said scar's. As for software being the problem I mean that goes back to the DEI hire practice. How about getting someone who can do the job instead of tick a box since many other games do it well.

A quick google search of bust slider's provided even some indie game's (Sims3, Black Desert Online, She Will Punish Them, League of Maidens, Phantasy Star Online 2, Saints Row games, Dragon's Dogma 1 - 2, White Knight Chronicles, Star Trek online and so on)

But this just further proves that bioware of old has gone all we have left is the name. Remade with people who were hired for there jiggly bits, melanin count or sexual orientation instead of qualifications.

But overall nothing wrong if you like this game but do not be blind to the reason's behind the desgin choice. The addition of the scar's while a token gesture is a step forward but limiting the sldiers was a step back. To be truly diverse means to include not exclude other choices. The biggest tragedy is the butchering of the qunari from DA2 Arishok and DAI qunari to this is such a bad design choice.

Originally posted by pr1mus:

Originally posted by Redil X:

The top scar's option is the sign that the slider limit was a political decision.

because a scar is superficial and easier to implement, it doesn't have any bearing on what armors look like which is something body sliders do complicate and compound.

Originally posted by Astrobabe:

Originally posted by Redil X:

A quick google search of bust slider's provided even some indie game's (Sims3, Black Desert Online, She Will Punish Them, League of Maidens, Phantasy Star Online 2, Saints Row games, Dragon's Dogma 1 - 2, White Knight Chronicles, Star Trek online and so on)

Lmao. I liked that the two indie games you slipped in between the not-indie games were both porn games. Okay...I wonder why porn indie games would care about bust sliders...

"even some indies..."

LOL.

Thought you were real sly there weren't you.

Please.

xoxo

Originally posted by Zarddin:

Originally posted by Redil X:

The top scar's option is the sign that the slider limit was a political decision.

because a scar is superficial and easier to implement, it doesn't have any bearing on what armors look like which is something body sliders do complicate and compound.

Is it not stupid that in a world with healing magic, shapeshifting magic and even magic items that let you totally change how you look and your gender there exists doctors that will cut someone boobs off and that someone will not get healed by mage just so they can have a scar reminding them that their delusion will never be reality instead of just you know... changing their gender permanently with magic?

Its absolutely ADORABLE how none of you were willing to even touch Redil X's point of the multiple games, nearly all of which are pretty old, that are able to provide decent body customization and have armors and outfits that can fit those bodies.

So why can't BioWare and EA do so with Veilguard in 2024?

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Greyhawk The Angry:

Its absolutely ADORABLE how none of you were willing to even touch Redil X's point of the multiple games, nearly all of which are pretty old, that are able to provide decent body customization and have armors and outfits that can fit those bodies.

i've gone over this in another thread, but these examples of textures, clothing on a Sims character isn't an asset, it's just a "clothing texture" painted on to give the semblance of clothing, GTA San Andreas does the same thing if you have a fat CJ, Saints Row does this too.

the exception is of course DD2, which has superior customization and is way more advanced in terms of character creation that anything else we've seen on the market so far, but that's also a game that was released a few months ago so hardly an indication of "all these old games did this as well" when they just.. didn't. evidently it is also an aspect most of the focus was on for DD2 judging by the rest of the game, hopefully this'll become more of the norm in terms of character creation (or maybe more games can adopt the RE engine, one can hope).

[deathmaster snikch]

Originally posted by pr1mus:

Originally posted by Red Phantom:

I mean it's in the game and it's canonical. There's no argument about that. Why do you force yourself into a corner with these disingenuous and bad arguments? lol

why even use the mirror to remove your breasts if you can just exchange yourself for a version that isn't transgender? seems like the more logical and practical usage of the mirror anyway.

I agree, you finally get it.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by deathmaster snikch:

I agree, you finally get it.

but do you? the argument is why someone would use the mirror knowing they're just replaced with a different version of themselves, their issue isn't being solved, it's like killing yourself and having an impostor taking your place.

Neve is an amputee, the mirror isn't going to restore her leg; they're just getting replaced by a version of Neve that still has both her legs, the amputee Neve from this universe that we know goes poof.

edit: i feel like Catherine from SOMA trying to explain the cut+paste analogy to multiple Simon's lmao.

[Greyhawk The Angry]

Originally posted by pr1mus:

Originally posted by Greyhawk The Angry:

Its absolutely ADORABLE how none of you were willing to even touch Redil X's point of the multiple games, nearly all of which are pretty old, that are able to provide decent body customization and have armors and outfits that can fit those bodies.

i've gone over this in another thread, but these examples of textures, clothing on a Sims character isn't an asset, it's just a "clothing texture" painted on to give the semblance of clothing, GTA San Andreas does the same thing if you have a fat CJ, Saints Row does this too.

the exception is of course DD2, which has superior customization and is way more advanced in terms of character creation that anything else we've seen on the market so far, but that's also a game that was released a few months ago so hardly an indication of "all these old games did this as well" when they just.. didn't. evidently it is also an aspect most of the focus was on for DD2 judging by the rest of the game, hopefully this'll become more of the norm in terms of character creation (or maybe more games can adopt the RE engine, one can hope).

Black Desert Online turned ten this year and its armor and outfits are by no means only mere painted on textures and its still got one of the most extensive character customization set ups available. As far as I've been able to tell from some brief research the same goes for Phantasy Star Online 2, an even older game. I've seen a few others over the years, but I should hope I don't need to make an exhaustive list to have made the point.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Greyhawk The Angry:

Black Desert Online turned ten this year and its armor and outfits are by no means only mere painted on textures

yeah instead you run into clipping issues (particularly with breasts).
https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/u3fjdy/is_there_anyone_else_has_a_bug_if_your_character/

the remedy is surprise: smaller breasts and normal proportions, out of those bounds you start clipping out, this would be an instance where textures would be the answer rather than assets that break.

Originally posted by Greyhawk The Angry:

As far as I've been able to tell from some brief research the same goes for Phantasy Star Online 2, an even older game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMcc5oND30Q
these are textures, particularly egregious when you look at the fishnetting and how it conforms to the boobs, it kind of goes to show the problems when you design armor that isn't really supposed to be stretched, DD2 does a good job of designing armor that looks presentable in all sorts of shapes whereas here its a texture which look bad when you maximize sliders.