Blood mage?

[Mixer]

I heard it isn't possible to play blood mage? Is this true?

[Mixer]

Still no blood mage while the game takes place in Tevinter kinda sucks

[Mixer]

Originally posted by Ultima:

Originally posted by Mixer:

Still no blood mage while the game takes place in Tevinter kinda sucks

Yeah, I was disappointed by that, but you can't use it in Inquisition either. I'm guessing there will be an in-game explanation. Probably difficult to justify when there's no real path for an evil alignment as it would require a lot of resources to make an evil path in the more modern bioware games. Even renegade wasn't evil, just callous.

There is not a way to play a antihero? Always what I enjoyed most in Bioware games, screwing everybody over and killing companions, guess i'll wait for a bit more for gameplay.

[Mixer]

Originally posted by Ultima:

Originally posted by Mixer:

There is not a way to play a antihero? Always what I enjoyed most in Bioware games, screwing everybody over and killing companions, guess i'll wait for a bit more for gameplay.

I'm paraphrasing, but the devs did say something along the lines of wanting you to be the good guy. If you want a game that does evil well, check out Wrath of the Righteous. One of the few games I've played that has a genuinely good lawful evil path.

Yup really enjoyed that in Baldurs Gate 3, just wrecking everything and backstabbing people at the first chance, playing evil is more interesting in rpgs. Guess might hold back then, playing a good guy straight up is just boring.

[Jusenkyo7]

I honestly don't understand how people play evil characters. Sure, it's just pretend, and nobody gets hurt. But how do you exercise your agency to make things worse when you can make things better?

I can't even kill characters who annoy me, and even kinda deserve it, like Zevran.

[Mixer]

Originally posted by Jusenkyo7:

I honestly don't understand how people play evil characters. Sure, it's just pretend, and nobody gets hurt. But how do you exercise your agency to make things worse when you can make things better?

I can't even kill characters who annoy me, and even kinda deserve it, like Zevran.

You should never read the first law trilogy then, but yup in Dragon age origins I did everything from a selfish viewpoint, it makes things way more nuanced and interesting. Playing a power hungry human noble warden, that was out for revenge, the was something sweet about it. Killing Rendon Howe was just Chef's kiss :P

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by Ultima:

Originally posted by Jusenkyo7:

I honestly don't understand how people play evil characters. Sure, it's just pretend, and nobody gets hurt. But how do you exercise your agency to make things worse when you can make things better?

I can't even kill characters who annoy me, and even kinda deserve it, like Zevran.

It depends, I really can't enjoy the murder hobo, plainly cruel AF chaotic evil, it makes my stomach churn, but I love lawful evil because you're not required to kick babies, and it's more about obtaining power and instilling laws. A great contrast are Pathfinder's Iomedae paladins vs the Hellknights.

The former are your typical paladins, while the latter are very utilitarian knights that make pacts with devils and worship both lawful evil and good deities like Asmodeus as well as Iomedae. When you meet Regill, first thing he does is order his men to slay a bunch of wounded Paladins because they were about to be overrun by gargoyles. Paladin commander doesn't like this, but he saves them from the horrible fate of being tortured and turned into ghouls.

Later on when the survivors of the paladin company have to choose to return to their order or become his disciples, they choose him because they realized following their now-dead leader would have gotten them killed, while Regill's men lived to fight another day.

It's really good stuff when it's well-written.

I mean, I don't care who you worship, or if you have to do some renegade ♥♥♥♥ to save the day. But I just can't not be the hero in a game where I can be the hero. My SWTOR main was a Sith who had to kill her way onto the Sith council or whatever, but she was, like, the nicest Sith.

[[Heretic]Rivga]

Originally posted by Mixer:

I heard it isn't possible to play blood mage? Is this true?

I recall that someone said there is a very good in game story reason why.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by HereticRivga:

Originally posted by Mixer:

I heard it isn't possible to play blood mage? Is this true?

I recall that someone said there is a very good in game story reason why.

Rook is a hemophiliac.

[Cutlass Jack]

There will still be plenty of blood magic in Tevinter. The player just can't be a blood mage. Same as Inquisition really.

That doesn't mean there can't be ruthless options for Rook to pick for getting the job done.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by Ultima:

Ha, yeah, SWTOR is a good example of playing lawful evil. There were ways to go about not being a complete psychopath on both warrior and inquisitor. Very underrated game from an RPG perspective. Shame it ultimately didn't work out. I know it's still kicking, but they've got no budget. T_T

I mean, my Sith Inquisitor MC was still like 90% light side. And SWTOR made like a billion dollars by end of 2019. So no WoW, but no slouch either.

[[Heretic]Rivga]

Originally posted by Mr Rabbit:

Originally posted by Mixer:

I heard it isn't possible to play blood mage? Is this true?

yes
they removed it because it was too "evil" "violent"

lol....

You realise they are talking about in game, not it is to evil & violent for people to play.

The lore and the how blood magic was treated in the first 2 games is a joke. Blood magic is lore wise the worst of the worst, even mages who support mages being free to do what the hell they like, mostly don't like blood magic.

But when you or your companions use it, no one so much as makes a negative comment.

[Xafron Chi]

A quote from lead writer Patrick Weekes on why they chose to leave blood magic out of the game.

"Blood magic is unlikely [to return in the future] because we've shifted it from a power boost to really being the key to a lot of nasty stuff we aren't interested in having heroes do."

Not confirmation of anything, but make of that what you will.

[AbyssDemon]

Originally posted by Mr Rabbit:

Originally posted by Mixer:

I heard it isn't possible to play blood mage? Is this true?

yes
they removed it because it was too "evil" "violent"

lol....

They removed it because they've failed to narratively implement it in the previous installments. Sure, in a time of crisis your Warden making a deal with a demon can be excused as necessary but you know what should happen in Ferelden after the Archdemon is defeated (if you did do the dark ritual) the Templars or Chantry should be after you for being a maleficar. Evil choices with no lore consequences is stupid as all hell, especially for all the lore savants on these threads.

And what about Hawke? Oh yes. Because both Fenris and Anders would stick around a character participating in a practice both of them hate so much and paranoid Meredith would turn a blind eye.

Makes complete sense. If you're going to assume it's because it's violent and evil at least acknowledge how complete mid of an evil choice it was in the grand scheme of the game.