why are the Antivan Crows the good guys now?

[pr1mus]

why are they portrayed to be righteous protectors of the downtrodden in Veilguard when in Origins they were depicted as an immoral cartel that made enslaved orphans fight each other to the death so they could be bestowed the honor of doing the Crows bidding?

i mean Zevran took the hit on you in the hopes that you'd kill him, and in the event you don't and travel with him the Crows try to kill him as well for failing his hit.

[Cutlass Jack]

They are an excellent company to work for with great benefits, but a horrible severance package.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

They are an excellent company to work for with great benefits, but a horrible severance package.

Also no HR department, it seems.

[skullymex]

Originally posted by criffyzou:

I think since the invasion of Treviso by Qunari, the Crows have taken a more defensive stance. So they're probably less focused on the "assassins for hire" and more on the "gotta maybe defend our country this time guys"

I very much doubt we'll be seeing them as fully good guys, especially with Lucanis and his complicated family history as our contact.
I also don't think any faction will be seen as fully black or white.

This. You gotta remember Antiva does not have a military, so they're pretty much the only line of defense the country has.

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by OyajiBR☕:

They're assassins, they kill for money without questions and enslave children to raise them as killers. Of course they're bad.

Now now, they don't kill without questions. Such as:
"How much?"
"What's their address?"
"Will you be using our mobile app for your purchase today?" (...Wait, that's McDonalds)
"Will there be sex after?"

[ArcaneSyntax]

Originally posted by pr1mus:

why are they portrayed to be righteous protectors of the downtrodden in Veilguard when in Origins they were depicted as an immoral cartel that made enslaved orphans fight each other to the death so they could be bestowed the honor of doing the Crows bidding?

i mean Zevran took the hit on you in the hopes that you'd kill him, and in the event you don't and travel with him the Crows try to kill him as well for failing his hit.

I think individual crows are good people but the organization itself is largely not been portrayed as good-natured, even in Veilguard.

[Mythical Ostrich]

Because bioware is incompetent, lazy, and they want to force you to be "good"

[AbyssDemon]

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

The MC is the villain as well
Basically they unleash all the misfurtune on the world, when they stop the hero of the story, the Dreadwolf.

I think it is odd, that they name the villain in the title and removed the hero.. but well.

Solas being a hero is heavily up for debate.

[Cass]

Remember when the Templars fought the Darkspawn in DAO?

It didn't suddenly mean the Templars are goody-two-shoes incorruptible paragons.

[AbyssDemon]

Originally posted by Cass:

Remember when the Templars fought the Darkspawn in DAO?

It didn't suddenly mean the Templars are goody-two-shoes incorruptible paragons.

You'd be surprised how many people think the Templars are incorruptible goody-two-shoes

[Nattfare]

Originally posted by AbyssDemon:

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

The MC is the villain as well
Basically they unleash all the misfurtune on the world, when they stop the hero of the story, the Dreadwolf.

I think it is odd, that they name the villain in the title and removed the hero.. but well.

Solas being a hero is heavily up for debate.

He is a hero in his own mind at least.

[Nattfare]

Originally posted by AbyssDemon:

Originally posted by Cass:

Remember when the Templars fought the Darkspawn in DAO?

It didn't suddenly mean the Templars are goody-two-shoes incorruptible paragons.

You'd be surprised how many people think the Templars are incorruptible goody-two-shoes

As far as I see it, Templars are just a symptom of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ system. They are just kids when they are dragged off (like mages) to templar training.
There they are brainwashed to think that all mages are bad and dangerous while they are turned into lyrium addicts.

So you now have a system where mentally unstable drug addicts have been posted to bully people who can turn you into ash with the a snap of a finger.

[Cass]

Originally posted by Nattfare:

So you now have a system where mentally unstable drug addicts have been posted to bully people who can turn you into ash with the a snap of a finger.

Don't forget they're the private army of the church, who happen to control the trade of the drugs the members of said army are addicted to.

[AbyssDemon]

Originally posted by Nattfare:

Originally posted by AbyssDemon:

You'd be surprised how many people think the Templars are incorruptible goody-two-shoes

As far as I see it, Templars are just a symptom of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ system. They are just kids when they are dragged off (like mages) to templar training.
There they are brainwashed to think that all mages are bad and dangerous while they are turned into lyrium addicts.

So you now have a system where mentally unstable drug addicts have been posted to bully people who can turn you into ash with the a snap of a finger.

Agreed, but also some of them are still terrible people.

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Cass:

It didn't suddenly mean the Templars are goody-two-shoes incorruptible paragons.

certainly more so than the Crows at least, Crows are murderers by trade, Templars' (much like Grey Wardens, whose recruitment isn't necessarily a joyous affair either) cause is definitely more good even when the morals get spotty in pursuit of those goals.

there's no such nuance with Crows, they get paid to murder innocent people and they enslave children and subject them to horrors to achieve it, Tevinter Nights is literally sportswashing (comicwashing? lol) Crows to appear as honorable and stuff, with the people suddenly having codes or something, i'm not surprised at the coincidental timing of this Crow propaganda before Veilguard's announcement now that you can join them and they're totally not evil af.

[Nattfare]

Originally posted by AbyssDemon:

Originally posted by Nattfare:

As far as I see it, Templars are just a symptom of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ system. They are just kids when they are dragged off (like mages) to templar training.
There they are brainwashed to think that all mages are bad and dangerous while they are turned into lyrium addicts.

So you now have a system where mentally unstable drug addicts have been posted to bully people who can turn you into ash with the a snap of a finger.

Agreed, but also some of them are still terrible people.

They are, they are people after all. Wouldn't be very believable if everyone had the same mentality on a basis level
Just as there are a fair few mages who causes a lot of destruction because they just want to see the world burn as well.

But if the world didn't have these nuances it wouldn't feel as engaging.