22 min gameplay from IGN

[Kris23]

https://youtu.be/xGMMK2I30-o?si=szmRDMQJNFekvFAY

[johnwick]

Originally posted by Jusenkyo7:

Originally posted by razeedazee:

For me, this games falls in the same lane as UNCHARTED™: Legacy of Thieves Collection

Released at £40 when ported to steam. That was a acceptable price point for what I as getting that the time. This game should be priced the same.

As i said before i think this price to value issue will be reflected in post sale reviews, perhaps more so that other concerns.

This makes absolutely no sense. Uncharted: LOT was a re-release, like ME:LE. It wasn’t cheaper because the graphics were outdated. It was cheaper because these were games that had already been released and had made all the money. Games aren’t priced based on how they look. By your logic, Octopath Traveler 2 should be $5.99, because it looks like an iOS game.

Anyway, I did not need more reasons to buy this game (obviously), so the additional reveal was not “for me.” That said …

Positive Takeaways: Highly-explorable maps, interesting quest-giver NPCs, and (thank the Maker) the lights that tell you when companions want to talk.

Negative Takeaways: Qunari leave a lot to be desired (which I kind of made peace with in DA:I) and there’s no footprints in shallow snow or after leaving water (BioWare, please fix this, I’ll find a way to give you even more money).

It make perfect sense, here is why.

UNCHARTED™: Legacy of Thieves Collection is a PS5 remaster release of a of PS4 game. UNCHARTED™ 4: A Thief’s End and UNCHARTED™: The Lost Legacy (The DLC for it)

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/games/uncharted-legacy-of-thieves-collection/

UNCHARTED: Legacy of Thieves Collection includes critically acclaimed, globe-trotting single player exploits from UNCHARTED™ 4: A Thief’s End and UNCHARTED™: The Lost Legacy, remastered in stunning detail for the PS5™ console with improved visuals and framerate.

I am comparing Dragon Age: The Veilgaurd as a PS4 game remastered for PS5 to UNCHARTED™: Legacy of Thieves Collection which is Uncharted 4 + DLC, a PS4 game, remastered to PS5.

The remaster was also ported to PC/Steam.

The octopath thing is a strawman. My comparison is comparing one known PS4 release remaster to an alleged PS4 game remaster.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by razeedazee:

Originally posted by Jusenkyo7:

This makes absolutely no sense. Uncharted: LOT was a re-release, like ME:LE. It wasn’t cheaper because the graphics were outdated. It was cheaper because these were games that had already been released and had made all the money. Games aren’t priced based on how they look. By your logic, Octopath Traveler 2 should be $5.99, because it looks like an iOS game.

Anyway, I did not need more reasons to buy this game (obviously), so the additional reveal was not “for me.” That said …

Positive Takeaways: Highly-explorable maps, interesting quest-giver NPCs, and (thank the Maker) the lights that tell you when companions want to talk.

Negative Takeaways: Qunari leave a lot to be desired (which I kind of made peace with in DA:I) and there’s no footprints in shallow snow or after leaving water (BioWare, please fix this, I’ll find a way to give you even more money).

It make perfect sense, here is why.

UNCHARTED™: Legacy of Thieves Collection is a PS5 remaster release of a of PS4 game. UNCHARTED™ 4: A Thief’s End and UNCHARTED™: The Lost Legacy (The DLC for it)

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/games/uncharted-legacy-of-thieves-collection/

UNCHARTED: Legacy of Thieves Collection includes critically acclaimed, globe-trotting single player exploits from UNCHARTED™ 4: A Thief’s End and UNCHARTED™: The Lost Legacy, remastered in stunning detail for the PS5™ console with improved visuals and framerate.

I am comparing Dragon Age: The Veilgaurd as a PS4 game remastered for PS5 to UNCHARTED™: Legacy of Thieves Collection which is Uncharted 4 + DLC, a PS4 game, remastered to PS5.

The remaster was also ported to PC/Steam.

The octopath thing is a strawman. My comparison is comparing one known PS4 release remaster to an alleged PS4 game remaster.

Ok, let me try this again.

Uncharted 4, and the Lost Legacy expansion, were previously released on PS4. So Naughty Dog made a bunch of money for making each of them. Then the PS5 came out, and Naughty Dog remastered the game + expansion for the new console, which takes way less work than making a new game. And released that on PS5 at a lower price point than when the game was new.

Veilguard, regardless whether it was initially conceived for the prior console generation or not, has never been released before. It's a whole new game, that costs lots of money to make. BioWare and EA have made no money on it yet. So when it comes out, it will costs as much as any other new PS5 game.

Your comparison to Uncharted, therefore, is the straw man argument.

My comparison to Octopath, on the other hand, is apt. Like Veilguard, Octopath was not previously released on another gaming system. So the mere fact that it could have been, based on its graphics and gameplay, do not make it cost less.

[thekastrokuz]

The comments on the video are hilarious, they take me back to the post-Mass Effect 3 days when everyone was demanding a better ending.

[Blaizeplays]

Originally posted by razeedazee:

Originally posted by Blaizeplays:

It originally started development in 2014 and got caught in the development hell that got so many games in the early to mid 2010s. Granted the games that overcame that hurdle that I've played so far have been quite fun for me so I'm not holding it against the game. The real take away from this is it definitely started out as a PS4 game as thw PS4 had pretty much just launched and they didn't expect development to last 10 years.

The more i look at the linked video and think about it the more i really believe this was a PS4 game as a base that has been remastered/facelifted for current gen.

It explains why it looks and plays like it does. Not bad but not great and why much of what we have seen is familiar but nothing exciting.

I personally don't want to play a PS4 era games in 2024 with a price tag of a modern AAA game. That's just not a sensible consumer decision. Sure they are playable but they are very dated and limited and a PS5 base game would have been a better starting point.

I could dissect these videos and highlight all the issues i see but i think anyone who knows what they are looking at will accept the PS4 base game rational as the reason we are seeing what we are seeing.

So I figure this is where i really stand as a consumer, I will struggle to enjoy a dated format of game and would definitely regret paying full retail price for the return from the game as a complete package.

For me, this games falls in the same lane as UNCHARTED™: Legacy of Thieves Collection

Released at £40 when ported to steam. That was a acceptable price point for what I as getting that the time. This game should be priced the same.

As i said before i think this price to value issue will be reflected in post sale reviews, perhaps more so that other concerns.

And there's the difference. I actively seek out gamed from the NES on to play in 2024. If a game's good it's good, even if it's dated. Look at Chrono Trigger and tell me that isn't an excellent game that was ahead of it's time. I just care that it's fun and has a good story. The console generation/slightly dated mechanics don't matter for that clearly given I'll gladly play on hardware that's older than me if the game's good.

[johnwick]

That's fine. Chrono Trigger is £11.99 on Steam. If it was £70 my reply would be same as above.

Games are a luxury item but no sensible consumer should spend £70 on Chrono Trigger in 2024, even as a new game. Individuals have a choice how they spend their money but the overall market response to the price to value ratio of the product will determine it's success.

The reality of that response should temper an rational mind. Not make it cry wolf, for example, two responses post release.

Rational minds - Yeah, i purchased the game as i was biased and would play it anyway, overlooking its obvious faults. I don't encourage you to do as i do but form your own opinion. I don't take it personally when you don't like what i like or disagree with me.
I see why the general audience has not invested in this product but i am unashamedly biased and don't regret my choice.

vs

The bigot bogeyman killed the game. This is a loss for gamers.

The first i'd expect from a genuine consumer, the second from someone farming engagement/drama

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by razeedazee:

That's fine. Chrono Trigger is £11.99 on Steam. If it was £70 my reply would be same as above.

Games are a luxury item but no sensible consumer should spend £70 on Chrono Trigger in 2024, even as a new game. Individuals have a choice how they spend their money but the overall market response to the price to value ratio of the product will determine it's success.

The reality of that response should temper an rational mind. Not make it cry wolf, for example, two responses post release.

Rational minds - Yeah, i purchased the game as i was biased and would play it anyway, overlooking its obvious faults. I don't encourage you to do as i do but form your own opinion. I don't take it personally when you don't like what i like or disagree with me.
I see why the general audience has not invested in this product but i am unashamedly biased and don't regret my choice.

vs

The bigot bogeyman killed the game. This is a loss for gamers.

The first i'd expect from a genuine consumer, the second from someone farming engagement/drama

But Chrono Trigger is also a rerelease, which is why it is so cheap. If it was a new game, it would likely have cost as much as Octopath.

I purchased Veilguard 2.5 months before release because I am a huge fan of the series. As such, it is very important to me to play the game on day one, regardless of its ultimate reviews, and I also want to show my support for the game and franchise.

I am also absolutely biased in favor of Dragon Age, in the sense that the series has built up an enormous amount of goodwill with me, and I would therefore look past faults that might give me pause in another franchise.

That said, I still notice faults, like fact that qunari design has been lackluster in games other than DA2, and the fact that footsteps don’t leave prints in Veilguard. However, these faults are minor ones, and certainly lesser offenses than prior BioWare games displayed at launch, including games that went on to fantastic reviews and GOTY.

And finally, I never take it personally that someone has a different opinion than me. I just get frustrated that some of you make such silly arguments.

[johnwick]

It's not my problem as a consumer Bioware failed to release their circa 2018 PS4 game due to development drama now want to sell it to me in 2024 with a AAA PS5 price tag and a laughable facelift.

I owe them nothing. I don't feel sorry for them. I don't care about their financial problems with the series. Not my problem nor does their previous revenue or lack of on the title factor into my consumer choices. Not here to simp for a company.

I make my purchases based on the value of the product as it is to me in 2024 not based on their failure to launch it 5 years ago. You entire argument about the other games being re releases is irrelevant to what I am comparing, the technical quality of the product compared to it's price tag, in 2024.

This game should have been released as a PS4 game but now they are selling, effectively, a PS4 remastered for PS5 with the price of a 2024 AAA and objectively this game is not that.

You entire argument in 3 posts now has been in bad faith and pushing a strawman. I don't take you seriously and i was not replying to you. I think you have an undeclared bias by the way you spam reply and constantly push an agenda while misrepresenting the comments you quote. Possibly a shill, a bad actor.

You don't need to reply to my posts. I won't engaging yours from this point forward.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by razeedazee:

It's not my problem as a consumer Bioware failed to release their circa 2018 PS4 game due to development drama now want to sell it to me in 2024 with a AAA PS5 price tag and a laughable facelift.

I owe them nothing. I don't feel sorry for them. I don't care about their financial problems with the series. Not my problem nor does their previous revenue or lack of on the title factor into my consumer choices. Not here to simp for a company.

I make my purchases based on the value of the product as it is to me in 2024 not based on their failure to launch it 5 years ago. You entire argument about the other games being re releases is irrelevant to what I am comparing, the technical quality of the product compared to it's price tag, in 2024.

This game should have been released as a PS4 game but now they are selling, effectively, a PS4 remastered for PS5 with the price of a 2024 AAA and objectively this game is not that.

You entire argument in 3 posts now has been in bad faith and pushing a strawman. I don't take you seriously and i was not replying to you. I think you have an undeclared bias by the way you spam reply and constantly push an agenda while misrepresenting the comments you quote. Possibly a shill, a bad actor.

You don't need to reply to my posts. I won't engaging yours from this point forward.

Hey, there's no shame at all in withdrawing from the debate when you are clearly outclassed. I wouldn't want to argue with me either (that's a lie, I totally would, but then again I could keep up). :)

[Skyblue]

Originally posted by razeedazee:

It's looking really on the border of a PS4/PS5 game for me. Just leaning to the PS5 side but barely. Perhaps it was going to be a PS4 console game originally but suffered so many reboots we ended up here.

It's just so basic, 2 dimensional. The dev is overselling how great it is in the commentary when what i see is underwhelming. The sales pitch is not aligned with what happens in the video, at all.

Literally, like someone remastered a PS4 game for current gen. I think that is the best way i can explain it. It's definitely looks playable but not exciting or innovative. A bare minimum of modern expectations are going to met.

Everything i see just seems a little off. The texture, the animations, the combat. Like it's the AC:Valhalla of the DA series.

I really don't see how this game has a AAA £80 price tag. Still looks like a £30 game to me.

But if you are 100% committed at least it looks like you will have a playable game at launch but i'm not holding my breath on that based on EA's track record.

Where are you getting £80 from? It’s £50 base. £70 is the deluxe edition. Not a single game has £80 base price AFAIK.

Closer to release a key reseller like GMG might get it for cheaper too.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by Skyblue:

Originally posted by razeedazee:

It's looking really on the border of a PS4/PS5 game for me. Just leaning to the PS5 side but barely. Perhaps it was going to be a PS4 console game originally but suffered so many reboots we ended up here.

It's just so basic, 2 dimensional. The dev is overselling how great it is in the commentary when what i see is underwhelming. The sales pitch is not aligned with what happens in the video, at all.

Literally, like someone remastered a PS4 game for current gen. I think that is the best way i can explain it. It's definitely looks playable but not exciting or innovative. A bare minimum of modern expectations are going to met.

Everything i see just seems a little off. The texture, the animations, the combat. Like it's the AC:Valhalla of the DA series.

I really don't see how this game has a AAA £80 price tag. Still looks like a £30 game to me.

But if you are 100% committed at least it looks like you will have a playable game at launch but i'm not holding my breath on that based on EA's track record.

Where are you getting £80 from? It’s £50 base. £70 is the deluxe edition. Not a single game has £80 base price AFAIK.

Closer to release a key reseller like GMG might get it for cheaper too.

It's the Steam forums, we don't let silly things like facts get in the way of our opinions. :)

[johnwick]

Originally posted by Skyblue:

Originally posted by razeedazee:

It's looking really on the border of a PS4/PS5 game for me. Just leaning to the PS5 side but barely. Perhaps it was going to be a PS4 console game originally but suffered so many reboots we ended up here.

It's just so basic, 2 dimensional. The dev is overselling how great it is in the commentary when what i see is underwhelming. The sales pitch is not aligned with what happens in the video, at all.

Literally, like someone remastered a PS4 game for current gen. I think that is the best way i can explain it. It's definitely looks playable but not exciting or innovative. A bare minimum of modern expectations are going to met.

Everything i see just seems a little off. The texture, the animations, the combat. Like it's the AC:Valhalla of the DA series.

I really don't see how this game has a AAA £80 price tag. Still looks like a £30 game to me.

But if you are 100% committed at least it looks like you will have a playable game at launch but i'm not holding my breath on that based on EA's track record.

Where are you getting £80 from? It’s £50 base. £70 is the deluxe edition. Not a single game has £80 base price AFAIK.

Closer to release a key reseller like GMG might get it for cheaper too.

https://store.playstation.com/en-gb/concept/10000586

Base £70
Deluxe £89/80 (with ea play discount)

[Blaizeplays]

Originally posted by razeedazee:

That's fine. Chrono Trigger is £11.99 on Steam. If it was £70 my reply would be same as above.

Games are a luxury item but no sensible consumer should spend £70 on Chrono Trigger in 2024, even as a new game. Individuals have a choice how they spend their money but the overall market response to the price to value ratio of the product will determine it's success.

The reality of that response should temper an rational mind. Not make it cry wolf, for example, two responses post release.

Rational minds - Yeah, i purchased the game as i was biased and would play it anyway, overlooking its obvious faults. I don't encourage you to do as i do but form your own opinion. I don't take it personally when you don't like what i like or disagree with me.
I see why the general audience has not invested in this product but i am unashamedly biased and don't regret my choice.

vs

The bigot bogeyman killed the game. This is a loss for gamers.

The first i'd expect from a genuine consumer, the second from someone farming engagement/drama

Check out the price on the original SNES version. I have the version from Playstation because it's relatively cheap but I can play it on a console that's far closer to original hardware and runs it well. Would love to have it for original hardware to. That's the trick dude. It's not a new game and while you can get it cheap on Steam playing it on the computer isn't worth it. How about a harder one to find. Try Tales of The Abyss, and not the 3DS version, that one sucks. I mean the original PS2 game. Guess what, that's next on my obtain this list and I'm already certain I'll have a grand time finally playing it in proper fashion. That's 3 console generations old and I'm looking forward to it as much as Veilguard. Pluss there are games that don't have multiple versions and are worth more than the hardware. Check out The Last Story for Wii, or Pandora's Tower. I assure you I'm more than willing to pay $70 for a fully refundable game that I suspect I'll love while watching those games for them to come down to affordable prices. Also to be clear I own a copy of The Last Story. It's an amazing game and worth so much only because it had a highly limited English release with no one remaking it despite calls for it because despite selling out and having people asking for restocks it only sold around 200 copies in English. Not to mention the insane prices old Pokémon games go for. Makes me glad I got them new but to be clear I'm not happy that Pokémon Emerald is by far the most valuable piece of my collection. Over $300 for a pokemon game is literally insane yet well within market value for the dang thing.

[Jusenkyo7]

Originally posted by Blaizeplays:

Originally posted by razeedazee:

That's fine. Chrono Trigger is £11.99 on Steam. If it was £70 my reply would be same as above.

Games are a luxury item but no sensible consumer should spend £70 on Chrono Trigger in 2024, even as a new game. Individuals have a choice how they spend their money but the overall market response to the price to value ratio of the product will determine it's success.

The reality of that response should temper an rational mind. Not make it cry wolf, for example, two responses post release.

Rational minds - Yeah, i purchased the game as i was biased and would play it anyway, overlooking its obvious faults. I don't encourage you to do as i do but form your own opinion. I don't take it personally when you don't like what i like or disagree with me.
I see why the general audience has not invested in this product but i am unashamedly biased and don't regret my choice.

vs

The bigot bogeyman killed the game. This is a loss for gamers.

The first i'd expect from a genuine consumer, the second from someone farming engagement/drama

Check out the price on the original SNES version. I have the version from Playstation because it's relatively cheap but I can play it on a console that's far closer to original hardware and runs it well. Would love to have it for original hardware to. That's the trick dude. It's not a new game and while you can get it cheap on Steam playing it on the computer isn't worth it. How about a harder one to find. Try Tales of The Abyss, and not the 3DS version, that one sucks. I mean the original PS2 game. Guess what, that's next on my obtain this list and I'm already certain I'll have a grand time finally playing it in proper fashion. That's 3 console generations old and I'm looking forward to it as much as Veilguard. Pluss there are games that don't have multiple versions and are worth more than the hardware. Check out The Last Story for Wii, or Pandora's Tower. I assure you I'm more than willing to pay $70 for a fully refundable game that I suspect I'll love while watching those games for them to come down to affordable prices. Also to be clear I own a copy of The Last Story. It's an amazing game and worth so much only because it had a highly limited English release with no one remaking it despite calls for it because despite selling out and having people asking for restocks it only sold around 200 copies in English. Not to mention the insane prices old Pokémon games go for. Makes me glad I got them new but to be clear I'm not happy that Pokémon Emerald is by far the most valuable piece of my collection. Over $300 for a pokemon game is literally insane yet well within market value for the dang thing.

To be fair to raze, the prices of old console games aren’t a fair comparison either, because those are relatively rare collectors items, versus widely-available digital releases.

But that’s no more unfair a comparison to DA:V than a rerelease of a game that was already widely available on a prior console.

I wont even get into the fact that Last of Us cost full freight for the PS5 remasters, because I figure those games got a huge boost from the HBO show.

[Blaizeplays]

Originally posted by Jusenkyo7:

Originally posted by Blaizeplays:

Check out the price on the original SNES version. I have the version from Playstation because it's relatively cheap but I can play it on a console that's far closer to original hardware and runs it well. Would love to have it for original hardware to. That's the trick dude. It's not a new game and while you can get it cheap on Steam playing it on the computer isn't worth it. How about a harder one to find. Try Tales of The Abyss, and not the 3DS version, that one sucks. I mean the original PS2 game. Guess what, that's next on my obtain this list and I'm already certain I'll have a grand time finally playing it in proper fashion. That's 3 console generations old and I'm looking forward to it as much as Veilguard. Pluss there are games that don't have multiple versions and are worth more than the hardware. Check out The Last Story for Wii, or Pandora's Tower. I assure you I'm more than willing to pay $70 for a fully refundable game that I suspect I'll love while watching those games for them to come down to affordable prices. Also to be clear I own a copy of The Last Story. It's an amazing game and worth so much only because it had a highly limited English release with no one remaking it despite calls for it because despite selling out and having people asking for restocks it only sold around 200 copies in English. Not to mention the insane prices old Pokémon games go for. Makes me glad I got them new but to be clear I'm not happy that Pokémon Emerald is by far the most valuable piece of my collection. Over $300 for a pokemon game is literally insane yet well within market value for the dang thing.

To be fair to raze, the prices of old console games aren’t a fair comparison either, because those are relatively rare collectors items, versus widely-available digital releases.

But that’s no more unfair a comparison to DA:V than a rerelease of a game that was already widely available on a prior console.

I wont even get into the fact that Last of Us cost full freight for the PS5 remasters, because I figure those games got a huge boost from the HBO show.

I collect and play them. The reason they got brought up in the first place is because of the 'I don't want to play a game that looks like it's from the PS4' comment so I brought up one of my all time favorites that's from the SNES, a game that is older than I am and I adore it. That got turned into 'but old games are cheap'. I'm simply disproving the old games are cheap argument as they most certainly are not unless you find the dude who doesn't know what he has. I wouldn't pay as much for DAV as I did for The Last Story because while DAV may one day become a collector's item it isn't yet so I wouldn't spend over $100 on it. Not the fairest comparison when it comes to price but also proves the point I'm after of old games not being cheap as a rule and that not everyone is obsessed with every game looking super modern (also a bit in the retro game headspace right now cause I just found my way around PS2 and PS1 era region locking and had a number of games I've wanted opened up to me at last.)

[Blaizeplays]

Originally posted by Skyblue:

Originally posted by razeedazee:

It's looking really on the border of a PS4/PS5 game for me. Just leaning to the PS5 side but barely. Perhaps it was going to be a PS4 console game originally but suffered so many reboots we ended up here.

It's just so basic, 2 dimensional. The dev is overselling how great it is in the commentary when what i see is underwhelming. The sales pitch is not aligned with what happens in the video, at all.

Literally, like someone remastered a PS4 game for current gen. I think that is the best way i can explain it. It's definitely looks playable but not exciting or innovative. A bare minimum of modern expectations are going to met.

Everything i see just seems a little off. The texture, the animations, the combat. Like it's the AC:Valhalla of the DA series.

I really don't see how this game has a AAA £80 price tag. Still looks like a £30 game to me.

But if you are 100% committed at least it looks like you will have a playable game at launch but i'm not holding my breath on that based on EA's track record.

Where are you getting £80 from? It’s £50 base. £70 is the deluxe edition. Not a single game has £80 base price AFAIK.

Closer to release a key reseller like GMG might get it for cheaper too.

So this needs to be cleared up I guess. For console players at least the base is $70. That's standard pricing for all new console games so it wasn't a surprise in the least. Makes the deluxe more expensive too.