Is the Target Audience Ages 8 to 13?

[DudeBro69]

It finally makes sense what the negative reviews meant.

Why there's no real sense of conflict in the game
Why every bit of drama doesn't really reach any form of dramatic level more than mild pain and when every conflict is smoothed out becuase no one can express themselves honestly.
Why there is no actual dark happenings, actions, talks, deeds, in what was supposed to be a Dark Fantasy.

It's a children's game.

Adult devs trying to use kindergaten level of conflict/drama and logic to appeal to adult audiences.

But all they made is a children's game not exactly suitable for children.

[Dumah]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

No, they're teenagers.

Hence the ESRB rating T for teen.

- The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines child as, "A human being below the age of 18 years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier."(c)

Unless you are in to a child diddling, im afraid all of those below 18 are children. And a 19 years olds are still teenagers.

[Dumah]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Adults, who should be treated as such.

- 14 to 17 are adults? Riiigh...

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Go back 200 years and girls were expected to be married and raising children by 15 and boys were in the factories working at 8.

- nah, im fine in my cozy 2024, not a fan of time traveling.

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

We live in an era where society is actively trying to push the age of accountability back more and more. Well, I'm not going to do that.

- and some are activelly push it in other direction... i hope you are not one of those... MAP guys.

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

The moment someone turns 18 they are an adult and I will treat them as such. If they are a teenager then they are old enough to know better than to lash out and throw tantrums because that's what 5 year olds do.

- yet in some countries, US included, 18 years olds are still under some restrictions. Best example is alcohol drinking. Point about being limited in lived experience and education is still stands.

[Punished Jeremy]

Originally posted by Dumah:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

No, they're teenagers.

Hence the ESRB rating T for teen.

- The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines child as, "A human being below the age of 18 years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier."(c)

Unless you are in to a child diddling, im afraid all of those below 18 are children. And a 19 years olds are still teenagers.

Why the ♥♥♥♥ are we talking about this?

[Dumah]

Originally posted by Punished Jeremy:

Why the ♥♥♥♥ are we talking about this?

- you really want to talk about Veilguard again?

[Itheline]

Originally posted by DudeBro69:

It finally makes sense what the negative reviews meant.

Why there's no real sense of conflict in the game
Why every bit of drama doesn't really reach any form of dramatic level when every conflict is smoothed out becuase no one can express themselves honestly.
Why there is no actual dark happenings, actions, talks, deeds, in what was supposed to be a Dark Fantasy.

It's a children's game.

Adult devs trying to use kindergaten level of conflict/drama and logic to appeal to adult audiences.

But all they made is a children's game not exactly suitable for children.

the choises in the game dont matter at all, since it doenst have any impact on the story, goty role playing game. its a coloring cartoon lgbt propaganda "game", extremely focused on feelings and finding your identity.

[DudeBro69]

Originally posted by spicyAyam:

the target audience is modern audience in the west

Who is that?

[Zebedee]

I'm going to need to play this I think. But it does, to me from what limited samples I've seen, hint at writing and a narrative direction which is either afraid of or unable to write about interpersonal conflict, complexity or nuance, and is hamfistedly lacking in subtext. Which can come across as childish perhaps? Is it escapist maybe? Partially a side effect of design decisions ruling some options out, scope of game also playing a role.

Vibes for this game are genuinely fascinating to me. And responses to it are clearly all over the place.

[DudeBro69]

Originally posted by Zebedee:

I'm going to need to play this I think. But it does, to me from what limited samples I've seen, hint at writing and a narrative direction which is either afraid of or unable to write about interpersonal conflict, complexity or nuance, and is hamfistedly lacking in subtext. Which can come across as childish perhaps? Is it escapist maybe? Partially a side effect of design decisions ruling some options out, scope of game also playing a role.

Vibes for this game are genuinely fascinating to me. And responses to it are clearly all over the place.

The writing seems like its trying to make you believe that the people and the entire world should only behave this one way.

[[FF] FuelX]

The game is rated mature 17. I agree the game will appeal to teenagers (13-16) with it's dialog and art style. They are most likely the target audience.

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by DudeBro69:

The writing seems like its trying to make you believe that the people and the entire world should only behave this one way.

I actually deleted a sentence suggesting it might come across as moralising, and misguidedly so, if the writing is as consistently barren as I've seen so far. "I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards" if you're familiar with Garth Marenghi. But this is based on only what has been shown so far, and there are still limits to that (spoiler request from Bioware to reviewers) so it may be unfair to judge just on what's out there now even if it's already making some of us raise an eyebrow.

[ThusVoiD]

Originally posted by DudeBro69:

But all they made is a children's game not exactly suitable for children.

I am perplexed by this too. The very first sneak peak is aimed at the adult audience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw3lrXlti-8

The simplest answer is likely the right one. The writers and modellers came from Pixar(or a similar background) and were still learning how to craft dark fantasy.

I don't think the intention was to make it child-like. People regularly underestimate experience.

[Mr2Thumbs]

Originally posted by FuelX:

The game is rated mature 17. I agree the game will appeal to teenagers (13-16) with it's dialog and art style. They are most likely the target audience.

Teenage boys aren't going to care about how many books emrich is bringing on the camping trip. They'll think this ♥♥♥♥ is lame af.

[Kabaale]

It's not targeted to humans.
I don't know for who this is but the age doesn't matter.
Even a baby is way too smart to want this trash.

[Ouro]

Originally posted by Dumah:

Ages from 10 to 13 are teenagers. Just as 14 to 19. Fairly sure alot of people will consider 14 years olds to at least 18 yearls olds to be children too.

if you're too stupid to understand what a teenager is, please don't ever have kids. ty.

[DudeBro69]

Originally posted by dulany67:

The target audience is not children, it's women.

You might be onto something