Why I cancelled my pre-order.

[EliamDar]

Let me start by saying that reading this forums makes me realize that there are idiots on both sides of the argument. Let me give you an example.
For the woke crowd, blindingly defending something which you have not yet played, and in many cases just because it seems to align with your beliefs, is the mark of a fanatic.
For the anti woke crowd, you are complaining about many things that are entirely optional, just like in BG3.

There are legitimate concerns about the actions of Bioware limiting the keys to access media. There are actual concerns about review bombing. And you know what will end up happening, most likely nothing. Nothing that will affect you (in either side of the argument).

We are not even sure the leaks from the supposed tester are true. Yet you went with it. And on the other side, instead of consider it, you just blindly defended it.

My concern were the latest system requirements, and the fact that both sides will probably spoil the entire game just to make a point.

And, because I know you will check, yes y don't have much play time on the previous games, because I played them in another platforms.

Honestly, at this point the best that both of you insufferable infants can do, is wait and see.

[EliamDar]

Originally posted by Cin-Cin:

The difference is that in BG3, they didn't solely focus on the inclusivity stuff. They just let the game be inclusive in peace and focused on the things that mattered like the gameplay and freedom of choice. All we have seen about Veilguard is top surgery scars, ugly characters, bad writing, and no respect for the franchise. Then when we do see gameplay, it's God of War when nobody asked for that. However, I do agree that there are idiots on both sides because some people just go too far.

and that is a perfectly fine opinion, I don't really get why they keep going for each others throats... Ones defending the company as if they worked there, others attacking something which isn't really out yet. Yes there are signs it might be bad, but we do not know yet. Yet some people seem to be so sure of that.

[Sir_0v3rk1ll]

I would gladly buy the game and would't care about scars or even pronouns. But is like being diverse and inclusive is not enough anymore. They have to make everyone ugly. There is nothing for me. BG3 was diverse and inclusive. I can be me. This I won't be able. On top of that gameplay is not what I want. Is like buying an elder scrolls game and getting a linear game. I want it something like inquisition. That was a good game. It had everything for everyone. This game is straight up a T propaganda.

[Valkyria]

Originally posted by Sir_0v3rk1ll:

I would gladly buy the game and would't care about scars or even pronouns. But is like being diverse and inclusive is not enough anymore. They have to make everyone ugly. There is nothing for me. BG3 was diverse and inclusive. I can be me. This I won't be able. On top of that gameplay is not what I want. Is like buying an elder scrolls game and getting a linear game. I want it something like inquisition. That was a good game. It had everything for everyone. This game is straight up a T propaganda.

This is false and has been disproven.

[EliamDar]

Originally posted by R-Boni:

Originally posted by EliamDar:

My concern were the latest system requirements, and the fact that both sides will probably spoil the entire game just to make a point.

Oh, I will plug it off immediately (especially from this forum) when the game releases. Maybe just check some spoiler-free reviews at most (and of course, not even bothering to read the comments).

I'm actually building a new PC, so I won't be able to play on launch.

The PC in question is a pretty budget one though. Why it is a concern to you? The specs are pretty lightweight.

i9 for recommended does not seem lightweight. And if you go to the detailed sheet, that i9 9900k is for 1440p at 30fps, with a 2070 RTX. Granted I am above those requirements, with my i7 11700k and 3070, however, the spread of requirements which I saw are very similar to other games which were launched terribly unoptimized. Hence I refunded, and might re-buy it after technical reviews are up (digital foundry and similar ones), and considering latest news about limited review keys, I might also wait for a few reviews of independent reviewers.

[EliamDar]

Originally posted by Sir_0v3rk1ll:

I would gladly buy the game and would't care about scars or even pronouns. But is like being diverse and inclusive is not enough anymore. They have to make everyone ugly. There is nothing for me. BG3 was diverse and inclusive. I can be me. This I won't be able. On top of that gameplay is not what I want. Is like buying an elder scrolls game and getting a linear game. I want it something like inquisition. That was a good game. It had everything for everyone. This game is straight up a T propaganda.

Aesthetics if often subjective. The art itself does not seem bad to me...maybe not like previous Dragon Age games, but I was willing to give it a try. Regarding the linearity...waiting for reviews, although that seems to have been confirmed in previews.
Regarding the propaganda bit...yeah....I don't know, if ugly characters were propaganda, Mount and Blade should be up there (yes I know, limited bugdet and indie, but still), this is where I am on the side of "wait and see".

[Kratom.Addict]

never preorder games. i learned my lesson with the slop that was andromeda

[AS9ARDIAN]

Originally posted by EliamDar:

Originally posted by R-Boni:

Oh, I will plug it off immediately (especially from this forum) when the game releases. Maybe just check some spoiler-free reviews at most (and of course, not even bothering to read the comments).

I'm actually building a new PC, so I won't be able to play on launch.

The PC in question is a pretty budget one though. Why it is a concern to you? The specs are pretty lightweight.

i9 for recommended does not seem lightweight. And if you go to the detailed sheet, that i9 9900k is for 1440p at 30fps, with a 2070 RTX. Granted I am above those requirements, with my i7 11700k and 3070, however, the spread of requirements which I saw are very similar to other games which were launched terribly unoptimized. Hence I refunded, and might re-buy it after technical reviews are up (digital foundry and similar ones), and considering latest news about limited review keys, I might also wait for a few reviews of independent reviewers.

Ye the detailed sheet seems concerning, to be honest after looking at the gameplay trailers there is nothing that would seem to justify those requirements especially CPU side (no advanced destruction/ Physics, no open world). Also, a gtx 970 for 1080p 30fps low and an rtx 2070 for 1080p 60fps high (or 1440p 30fps) is pretty odd too.

Like, for referece, an i7 9700 paired with a 2070 can run Battlefield V (same frostbite engine) at 100+ fps at 1080p ultra, and that's an intensive (and impressive from a graphical fidelity standpoint) multiplayer game.

"avg performance estimates include use of optional upscaling" uhm, I really hope this is not going to be another nvidia showcase demo.

[ZaydinTTV]

Originally posted by Cin-Cin:

The difference is that in BG3, they didn't solely focus on the inclusivity stuff. They just let the game be inclusive in peace and focused on the things that mattered like the gameplay and freedom of choice. All we have seen about Veilguard is top surgery scars, ugly characters, bad writing, and no respect for the franchise. Then when we do see gameplay, it's God of War when nobody asked for that. However, I do agree that there are idiots on both sides because some people just go too far.

How do you even know VG is going to 'focus on inclusivity'? No one has played the game yet so we know little about how the actual story is going to play out.

Feels more like RWers looking for things to be angry about more than anything else.

[EliamDar]

Originally posted by bleedingtits:

never preorder games. i learned my lesson with the slop that was andromeda

True, but it makes sense when you live...well used to live... in a high inflation economy. The sooner you lock down the price, the better.

[EliamDar]

Originally posted by AS9ARDIAN:

Originally posted by EliamDar:

i9 for recommended does not seem lightweight. And if you go to the detailed sheet, that i9 9900k is for 1440p at 30fps, with a 2070 RTX. Granted I am above those requirements, with my i7 11700k and 3070, however, the spread of requirements which I saw are very similar to other games which were launched terribly unoptimized. Hence I refunded, and might re-buy it after technical reviews are up (digital foundry and similar ones), and considering latest news about limited review keys, I might also wait for a few reviews of independent reviewers.

Ye the detailed sheet seems concerning, to be honest after looking at the gameplay trailers there is nothing that would seem to justify those requirements especially CPU side (no advanced destruction/ Physics, no open world). Also, a gtx 970 for 1080p 30fps low and an rtx 2070 for 1080p 60fps high (or 1440p 30fps) is pretty odd too.

Like, for referece, an i7 9700 paired with a 2070 can run Battlefield V (same frostbite engine) at 100+ fps at 1080p ultra, and that's an intensive (and impressive from a graphical fidelity standpoint) multiplayer game.

"avg performance estimates include use of optional upscaling" uhm, I really hope this is not going to be another nvidia showcase demo.

My concerns exactly

[EliamDar]

Originally posted by ZaydinTTV:

Originally posted by Cin-Cin:

The difference is that in BG3, they didn't solely focus on the inclusivity stuff. They just let the game be inclusive in peace and focused on the things that mattered like the gameplay and freedom of choice. All we have seen about Veilguard is top surgery scars, ugly characters, bad writing, and no respect for the franchise. Then when we do see gameplay, it's God of War when nobody asked for that. However, I do agree that there are idiots on both sides because some people just go too far.

How do you even know VG is going to 'focus on inclusivity'? No one has played the game yet so we know little about how the actual story is going to play out.

Feels more like RWers looking for things to be angry about more than anything else.

You both tend to look things to be angry about all the time. I remember certain people reaction to Stellar Blade.

[Roan Woasbi]

The limiting of keys was to streamers/YouTubers. I wouldn't call that media.

[Vamptacus]

Originally posted by EliamDar:

Originally posted by Sir_0v3rk1ll:

I would gladly buy the game and would't care about scars or even pronouns. But is like being diverse and inclusive is not enough anymore. They have to make everyone ugly. There is nothing for me. BG3 was diverse and inclusive. I can be me. This I won't be able. On top of that gameplay is not what I want. Is like buying an elder scrolls game and getting a linear game. I want it something like inquisition. That was a good game. It had everything for everyone. This game is straight up a T propaganda.

Aesthetics if often subjective. The art itself does not seem bad to me...maybe not like previous Dragon Age games, but I was willing to give it a try. Regarding the linearity...waiting for reviews, although that seems to have been confirmed in previews.
Regarding the propaganda bit...yeah....I don't know, if ugly characters were propaganda, Mount and Blade should be up there (yes I know, limited bugdet and indie, but still), this is where I am on the side of "wait and see".

I'm more concerned for MHW's optimization, have you seen the requirements for that game? luckily we'll be able to test things out with the upcoming beta

[McGeorgeOfTheJungle]

Originally posted by Cin-Cin:

The difference is that in BG3, they didn't solely focus on the inclusivity stuff. <snip>
All we have seen about Veilguard is top surgery scars, ugly characters, bad writing, and no respect for the franchise.

Veilguard hasn't been shown or hinted at solely focussing on DEI stuff, let alone anything else. So you are being dishonest there.

Same for the 2nd sentence - Surgery scars which is a choice to have or not, ugly characters has always been in Dragon Age games and I guess is subjective to the person looking, bad writing - you don't know as you haven't played it nor have I, similar to the last part again dishonesty - you haven't played it to know if it has disrespected the franchise or not.

As the OP said, a bit rudely, there is 2 camps here (and usually with most AAA games) who just came in and spew out bile most of it is usually assumptions and outright lies to push their narrative.

The majority of people will play it and like it or not like it, just like all other games.

[Shadow♥]

I am not in either of those camps to be honest. I am in my own camp which is if I like a series and the game looks good to me, then I will buy it and play it for myself. I do not care what anyone else thinks about a game, because what it comes down to is do I like it?

I like what has been shown regarding the game with the exception of the very first introduction to the companions trailer which should not have been released. The other game play trailers and the latest release trailer, the skill trees, the character creator all have me pretty positive that the game will be good. So, I bought it, and will play it. If I decide I like it then I will keep it and play it.

My point is, no one should tell anyone whether to buy a game or not. It is my money and if I like a game then i will play it and determine if it is good myself. I have seen many forums saying games bad or games gonna fail but not one of those people has actually even played the game. I will determine how much I like the game once it is released. Not one person can claim the story is bad, because nobody on this forum has played the full game to know that.

So, I say if you like what they have shown, then play the game and decide for yourself. Release is in a few days and then we will all see for ourselves how the game is.