Confused about what's bad about this game?

[xyrkies]

As far as I've seen, the complaints have all been about the character creator. Normally I find myself on the side of the complainers because the body type stuff hypocritically removes/replaces male/female in the name of "inclusion", but this game actually leaves my options in for once. If these things are all options, then what is the big deal?

Is the game play or story being affected? Is there any censorship?

[McGeorgeOfTheJungle]

Originally posted by Boss:

They didn't include Christian iconography, American flags, crosses.
They included trans surgery scars and pronouns.

Both do not belong in a medieval fantasy setting, obviously.

It isn't medieval though, because a future Thedas doesn't exist, so Middle Ages doesn't technically exist in the game.

Either way it is fantasy, and it is an optional choice, nobody will be forced to pick it, so people are just being pedantic.

[GolfLover420]

Originally posted by McGeorgeOfTheJungle:

Originally posted by Boss:

They didn't include Christian iconography, American flags, crosses.
They included trans surgery scars and pronouns.

Both do not belong in a medieval fantasy setting, obviously.

It isn't medieval though, because a future Thedas doesn't exist, so Middle Ages doesn't technically exist in the game.

Either way it is fantasy, and it is an optional choice, nobody will be forced to pick it, so people are just being pedantic.

I think he mean medieval fantasy is based on real earth medieval history not that it is medieval for Thedas

[Fedaygin]

Originally posted by xyrkies:

As far as I've seen, the complaints have all been about the character creator.

Then your eyes must've had very high selective viewing There's about a dozen well justified - talks about Neon Age Vileguard. The fourth instalment that's worth of tops twenty two bucks. Just with lil search they can be found

[Peppe_LePeu]

Originally posted by Boss:

Originally posted by McGeorgeOfTheJungle:

It isn't medieval though, because a future Thedas doesn't exist, so Middle Ages doesn't technically exist in the game.

Either way it is fantasy, and it is an optional choice, nobody will be forced to pick it, so people are just being pedantic.

Medieval Fantasy is a setting:
Medieval Fantasy is a subgenre of Fantasy, which is "a genre of fiction set in a fictional universe." However, Medieval Fantasy is unlike Fantasy in that it specifically pertains to or is influenced by the Medieval period of European history, which was from the 5th century to the 15th century
The existence of platemail, a vast majority of European weaponry, and Nations shaped clearly by medieval Europe, including folklore, makes it a medieval fantasy genre. Obviously.

And I love the dismissiveness. Because of course it's fine for what you believe in to be included in a game, as an 'option', but not what others believe in.

and yet there are historical people that were trans as we would know it today that lived in those periods. a quick google search brings up things like the male that ended up living as a female seamstress and prostitute in london and even had a court case on it as they couldnt establish if sodomy was or was not occuring as dressing the opposite gender wasnt illegal at the time. Or the born female monk that lived as a male and was even accused of fathering a child and this one was even canonized by the catholics. and this is just brushing the quickest of google searches.

so using "its influenced by medieval europe" as an excuse to exclude lgbtq rerpesentation in a purely fictional universe that - since the start has been progressive and inclusive (granted as society has been more accepting its more visible in recent installments) - is rather weak.

gay people, gender dysphoria, etc aren't exclusive to modern times. there are stories and accounts throughout history of it being present in society. it may be more visible now as science and society is more open and religion has less sway force it underground but its not new.

[Kiya]

Indeed Tijger.

It was a great hype trailer.

https://youtu.be/NdtmtuzICOI?si=Rei4MkEeXz5HSPV0

[Toran Blackwater]

Originally posted by xyrkies:

As far as I've seen, the complaints have all been about the character creator. Normally I find myself on the side of the complainers because the body type stuff hypocritically removes/replaces male/female in the name of "inclusion", but this game actually leaves my options in for once. If these things are all options, then what is the big deal?

Is the game play or story being affected? Is there any censorship?

Confused? No
Story, obviously. It will be as shallow as any DA title (sorry, they are).

EA decides to be inclusive/respectful? Their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ right. Will I lose my balls over it? Nope. Does it attack my personal freedom? Nope.
Will I have to consult some weird church for Conversion Therapy after playing the game? Nope.
Will playing this game make me more or less intelligent than before? Nope.
Do overt homophobic and insecure individuals flooding their BS in the forums make me slightly mad? Yes.

I expect the game to be a decent enough action RPG worth playing if they deliver on the technical side. What I saw from gameplay videos, the combat looks fun and locations and landscapes seem varied and interesting enough to explore.

On release, I will watch some uncommented gameplays and performance videos and decide then. That has nothing to do with the game but my low trust in EA in general.

[zaratan4o]

"Is the game play or story being affected? Is there any censorship?"

Big yes, both.

[Fedaygin]

Originally posted by Tijger:

Originally posted by Fedaygin:

Then your eyes must've had very high selective viewing There's about a dozen well justified - talks about Neon Age Vileguard. The fourth instalment that's worth of tops twenty two bucks. Just with lil search they can be found

And yet there was no purple to be seen in the trailer released yesterday.

CGI trailer without gameplay footage unlike the first one where most of it was about gameplay. I also didn't mention purple. It was done to cover most of the hideous things & to create false praise just as happened with Lazy Semi New Hope Remake) & The Last Hermit movies 😐 I'm one of many who are Non-BuyNary with Neon Age Vileguard ✅

The fourth instalment with dumped down combat (in hope of bigger sales), no footprints in any terrain, Qunari that isn't intimidating. This is worth of max twenty bucks. Not to forget that we can't create actual female nor male character. Also that highly praised hair physics goes over the top in some cutscenes as in no weight 😒 Now waiting for Eaware to sell Mass Effect IP to other company & for that Dragon Age Origins remaster by fan to be complete ⏳

[Velovar]

radical feminism

[CapnsavAhoe]

So for me, it isn't about the politics or wokeness or combat. I'm an old Bioware lover, from the original BG's, and if implemented well I imagine any of the changes could be successful. It's the tactics they are currently employing that give me the most pause. They are currently censoring all negative commentary they legally can and only giving review copies out to those they believe will gush about the game and not say any negatives. It really does look like what one guy said in here that they made a game for as mass production and appeal as possible. With child like writing that assumes you forgot what you heard 2 seconds ago. I do sincerely hope the game does well, I'd love for Bioware to be back in any capacity, but these tactics worry me greatly. Also frankly Bioware hasn't put a good product together since DA1 and Mass Effect 1. That was the beginning of the empire crumbling. So the last comment is really to say, maybe we just accept they will never be what they were

[Mysti_Fogg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF-Kd2BBpx8&t=2029s

[Corona Scurrae]

watch the skill up review.

[VonFIDDE]

Ithink the main complaint outside of the (genderdrama, don't really care) is that you don't really have any choice, Rook is a nice guy period. It's a limited version of older BW games, but with a way better combatsystem. So if you looking for something like Kingdom of Amalur you should be happy but thats just my guessing since i haven't played DAV yet :D.

[Deroldsen]

Originally posted by VonFIDDE:

Ithink the main complaint outside of the (genderdrama, don't really care) is that you don't really have any choice, Rook is a nice guy period. It's a limited version of older BW games, but with a way better combatsystem. So if you looking for something like Kingdom of Amalur you should be happy but thats just my guessing since i haven't played DAV yet :D.

"better" is subjective. I would maintain that origins had the best combat system. Hence why i wouldn't play this.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by Nemerlight:

"Nothing its a perfect game" - XboxEra

here is the excerpt: "Dragon Age: The Veilguard isn’t just in my Game of the Year rankings, it’s in my Best Games of All Time. BioWare has finally matched their recent excellent third-person combat with some of, if not their best, story work to date. This game is an absolute triumph for those old and new to the series."

I wonder why vast majority of people skip these guys.