NPCs romancing one another

[Jaffer!]

Today, I listened to a Gamespot video that was released within the last day or two - the typical "Everything you want to know about DATV" type video. In it, the narrator mentioned that the NPCs would romance one another if you didn't try to.

Does anyone know anything more about that? It's an interesting dynamic that I don't recall in any other game I've played.

Also, are there any other qualities about the game that are relatively unique worth knowing about?

(I'm not interested in sarcastic/political/quasi-religious comments.)

Thanks!

[SK]

Bioware sort of did it with Mass Effect.
It's possible for Garrus and Tali to end up together in ME3 right before the final mission.

Dragon Age Inquisition had a few.
Dorian and Iron Bull end up together if not romanced by the player if you take them both on missions together.
Sera and Dagna end up together in Trespasser which is mentioned in an environmental journal.
And Cole can end up with the bard from the Inn in Trespasser.

[Cutlass Jack]

Yup its true. Companions you don't romance might form their own romances with each other. And from what I understand, you might be able to help/hinder their relationships.

This happened in DA:Inquisition in a minor way. Dorian and Iron Bull could start flirting in banter and it could develop into something in the epilogue. Same with Sera and Dagna.

Something similar could happen with Tali & Garrus in Mass Effect. They'll be expanding on that idea this time around.

Edit: BadToast beat me to it.

[Jaffer!]

BadToast eredeti hozzászólása:

Bioware sort of did it with Mass Effect.
It's possible for Garrus and Tali to end up together in ME3 right before the final mission.

Dragon Age Inquisition had a few.
Dorian and Iron Bull end up together if not romanced by the player if you take them both on missions together.
Sera and Dagna end up together in Trespasser which is mentioned in an environmental journal.
And Cole can end up with the bard from the Inn in Trespasser.

Thank you. I had forgotten about Garrus and Tali. I'm just now playing Inquisition for the first time so I wasn't aware of that. :)

[Cutlass Jack]

R-Boni eredeti hozzászólása:

Cutlass Jack eredeti hozzászólása:

Yup its true. Companions you don't romance might form their own romances with each other. And from what I understand, you might be able to help/hinder their relationships.

This happened in DA:Inquisition in a minor way. Dorian and Iron Bull could start flirting in banter and it could develop into something in the epilogue. Same with Sera and Dagna.

Something similar could happen with Tali & Garrus in Mass Effect. They'll be expanding on that idea this time around.

Edit: BadToast beat me to it.

Where did you see you can hinder their relationships?

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/dragon-age/while-dragon-age-the-veilguard-s-companions-will-form-their-own-relationships-it-sounds-like-we-ll-still-be-able-to-interfere-with-them-they-might-come-to-you-for-advice-and-i-can-t-guarantee-you-ll-give-them-good-advice/

[JimmyKaz]

can you buy a cuc k chair in game? I like to watch

[Smakit]

Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 had it to some limited scope. A lot of inter-party flirting and the like. IIRC in 2 one of the companions is sought by another guy and you can have sort of a argument/love triangle kind of thing going on.

[Mysti_Fogg]

They did it in ME3, where Garrus and Tali will end up in a romance with each other if you're not romancing either of them (and they're both still alive).

That one really sucks, actually. It discourages me from romancing anyone other that Garrus, who is my favorite guy.

My issue is, even if we're only best friends in a game, I've just gotten Garrus to get his life together. He's risen up in the Hierarchy and has his own little squad and is doing necessary work that he always wanted to do. Basically, Garrus has finally fixed himself with a little help from his friends.

Meanwhile, Tali is still a teenage mess. She's either exiled from her people (which is possibly actually a better outcome) or she's an actual admiral. I dedicate all my time to making peace between the Geth and the Quarians. The votes on the council to go to war with the Geth are tied 2 to 2, with an impartial third who will only go to war if there's a majority on the other side.

So the ENTIRE Geth War 2.0 IS TALI'S FAULT. She sided with Loghain and the mad doctor and gave into peer pressure. She has the title of admiral, but they're using her, she's not using it. She's unqualified and doing a crap job and has crap judgment. Tali's just an awful leader, as established in ME2.

So by not romancing Garrus, I've left him free to get his head F-ed up all over again right after he got himself on a good path, and having Tali undo everything I've tried to do for him.

Fortunately, I think the Garrus romance in ME 3 is excellent. But I'm actually kind of pissed that I can't leave him alone and go do something else unless I kill Tali off in an earlier game. which is doable, but not how I treat my loyal companions.

[SaulTCrow]

Blackwall and Josie would start to date in DAI too if the INQ didn't romance either of them. That one fizzled because Blackwall is a mess of a character, but those companion relationships made for some funny party in DAI.

[Mysti_Fogg]

R-Boni eredeti hozzászólása:

Mysti_Fogg eredeti hozzászólása:

They did it in ME3, where Garrus and Tali will end up in a romance with each other if you're not romancing either of them (and they're both still alive).

That one really sucks, actually. It discourages me from romancing anyone other that Garrus, who is my favorite guy.

My issue is, even if we're only best friends in a game, I've just gotten Garrus to get his life together. He's risen up in the Hierarchy and has his own little squad and is doing necessary work that he always wanted to do. Basically, Garrus has finally fixed himself with a little help from his friends.

Meanwhile, Tali is still a teenage mess. She's either exiled from her people (which is possibly actually a better outcome) or she's an actual admiral. I dedicate all my time to making peace between the Geth and the Quarians. The votes on the council to go to war with the Geth are tied 2 to 2, with an impartial third who will only go to war if there's a majority on the other side.

So the ENTIRE Geth War 2.0 IS TALI'S FAULT. She sided with Loghain and the mad doctor and gave into peer pressure. She has the title of admiral, but they're using her, she's not using it. She's unqualified and doing a crap job and has crap judgment. Tali's just an awful leader, as established in ME2.

So by not romancing Garrus, I've left him free to get his head F-ed up all over again right after he got himself on a good path, and having Tali undo everything I've tried to do for him.

Fortunately, I think the Garrus romance in ME 3 is excellent. But I'm actually kind of pissed that I can't leave him alone and go do something else unless I kill Tali off in an earlier game. which is doable, but not how I treat my loyal companions.

Tali voted against the war with Koris. The other three admirals voted in favor.

I also don't romance anyone else besides her because I don't want to see her with Garrus, which is why I keep saying that NPCs romancing each other just might lead me to cross-playthrough jealousy.

And if you keep trash-talking Tali, we can't be friends anymore.

No. That's the thing. Tali didn't stick with Koris. Koris was the lone hold out who eventually gave in, at least according to him. And I don't know why he'd lie about it.

That's what it says on every playthrough I've had. Koris was outnumbered and eventually just gave in.

[Flinsberg]

I will intentionally distance myself from every female companion except Harding. She's the only character I give the slightest sh1t about.

Never met the other 3, don't care. They can kiss each other all they want.

[Mysti_Fogg]

R-Boni eredeti hozzászólása:

Mysti_Fogg eredeti hozzászólása:

No. That's the thing. Tali didn't stick with Koris. Koris was the lone hold out who eventually gave in, at least according to him. And I don't know why he'd lie about it.

That's what it says on every playthrough I've had. Koris was outnumbered and eventually just gave in.

You remember things incorrectly, I actually look up in the wiki after replying to you. And yes, If Tali is exiled, the voting is 3 to 1, if Tali is admiral, the voting is 3 to 2.

Shala'Raan was on the fence in Mass Effect 2 but clearly changed her mind by the time of ME3 after Xen successfully found a way to defeat the Geth..

If you can find it that would be great.

I know I'm not remembering it wrong. Because I showed up at the Geth-Quarian War 2.0 and was waiting for Tali to explain WTF just happened.

How did she fail to persuade her aunt to continue to at least stay neutral? (Yes, I know they're not blood related or not closely blood related, but that's how I'd describe the relationship she had with Xan as "mother's BFF)

[Mysti_Fogg]

R-Boni eredeti hozzászólása:

Mysti_Fogg eredeti hozzászólása:

If you can find it that would be great.

I know I'm not remembering it wrong. Because I showed up at the Geth-Quarian War 2.0 and was waiting for Tali to explain WTF just happened.

How did she fail to persuade her aunt to continue to at least stay neutral? (Yes, I know they're not blood related or not closely blood related, but that's how I'd describe the relationship she had with Xan as "mother's BFF)

Tali tells you that she opposed the invasion, but only Koris backed her and thought that peace could be possible with the Geth. The other three were in favor.

Tali actually hid the romantic relationship she has with Shepard from Raan, so yeah, not that close.

Okay, fine, then I'll find it.

After Tali says something about putting an end to this stupid war:

S: Then why did you help them?
T: I'm an admiral. People look to me for guidance. Public disagreement would divide the fleet.

THAT is all Tali says.

And in your quarters, she'll say:

"This was supposed to be my father's fight. If they die because of me ..."

So she was pro fight in the end. She took her father's place. It's a fight she wanted HIM to have, knowing he was pro fight, and her one regret is that she's in it instead.

So no, she didn't vote with Koris. She got backed into a corner verbally by two very aggressive and brash people who did not make a secret of their positions. Tali was too much of a people pleaser to take a stand.

Also, it wasn't Koris who talked about the opposition. Xen talks about his opposition. Though we know about it from the prior game as well.

Tali has many good qualities. But she gave up when she needed to fight the hardest. Geth/Quarian War is because she didn't want to argue where people could see her, and so she didn't argue when she needed to.

I think that Bioware is largely to blame for putting Tali and Garrus on essentially the same character arc toward responsibility for their people. But in the end, Garrus did what needed to be done, and whether he specifically made a difference? Well, we can head canon that either way. Meanwhile, Tali had to be a failure or they couldn't have another Geth-Quarian War at the dumbest time possible. Because this is the dumbest time possible to decide to fight over that old chestnut. So Tali got the title, but failed at everything she needed to do because Bioware couldn't have her succeed, and thus didn't have the same character growth.

[silver_hyena]

I personally love that our party members can romance each other. It really makes them feel like they have a life outside of the main character. I'm curious what kind of combos we'll get. They've said Harding and Tash can get together, but those are the only two that I know about. And yes, we can give them advice that'll help or hinder them. I think that's the extent of what we know so far though.

[eebydeeby]

I think Lucanis and Neve can get together if neither is romanced… which honestly?? Makes no sense at all.

Spoilers for VG decision events:

Especially after the whole Treviso vs Minrathous drama, they shouldn’t be rolling in the hay with each other given how salty either of them is if you choose the opposite location to help. Helping Minrathous even completely locks out Lucanis as a romance option so ??? Idk man