Rant from an old fan.

[sinh]

I was a massive BioWare fan ever since BG2 and DA:O was my favorite game that studio ever released (love mass effect trilogy just slightly less than DA). And every game since DA:O the franchise seem to have been going downhill but I still liked DA2 well enough to finish it multiple times and liked* DA:I enough for two playthroughs. One before all DLC and one few years later when all DLCs were added.

But Veilguard is everything I hate with modern games and it genuinely looks like simply a terrible game even if I wasn't a fan of the older dragon ages. Based on the hours of unedited gameplay footage that's already out there for this game, it seems to have terrible writing, contradicting HUGE points from previous games, treating the player as if its a literal 5 year old child with the most braindead and cringy companions with flat voice delivery in the most peak "millennial dialogue"(this is a derogatory term) I've seen in a franchise I care about.

I hate how the fanbase now is just horny shippers, i hate how the developers on that game despise old fans who only want the return to the roots, I hate how EA hired a director to one of my favorite franchises who only ever worked on sims FOUR(4) and I hate how this game is seemingly made for twitter/tumblr cultists who literally only care about how many companions they can ♥♥♥♥ in this game.

This has nothing to do with "wokeness" or whatever other buzzwords you wanna use. This game just looks terrible and I would not be anywhere near as annoyed if it was simply a Dragon Age spin off and not a mainline entry into the series.

Can't wait to see the same 5 "super fans" which live on this forum and who will be too busy defending this ♥♥♥♥ game than actually play it add some useless word-vomit comment.

[deathmaster snikch]

people need to realize that millennials are in their 30s and 40s and they fought wars too, stop confusing them with zoomers.

[sinh]

Originally posted by deathmaster snikch:

people need to realize that millennials are in their 30s and 40s and they fought wars too, stop confusing them with zoomers.

thats the actual term for it. also, dont you have some marienburg nobles to kill? yes-yes.

[Dayth]

I'm in the same boat: the more I see the more I question how it how the series has strayed so far from its origins.
I played all the games, all the dlcs, read the Maric books, watched the Cassandra film; I was a big a fan of the series. Sure, the sequels never really met the heights of Origins but I still enjoyed them.

Seeing the devs and former devs belittling fans who've had a negative opinion of what they've seen of the new game was incredibly disheartening. Gaider called fans who thought Origins was best in the series "tourists"? We've been here since the series launch, how can we be "tourists"?
Instead of assuaging concerns they just hurl insults on social media, even if these were concerns of some vocal minority how does that paint a good picture of how you treat fans of the series?

I'm sick of modern politics infecting everything; I dinnae care who or whatever side you vote for, just leave me out of it and leave it out products that are supposed to be entertaining.

[AbyssDemon]

Originally posted by Dayth:

I'm in the same boat: the more I see the more I question how it how the series has strayed so far from its origins.
I played all the games, all the dlcs, read the Maric books, watched the Cassandra film; I was a big a fan of the series. Sure, the sequels never really met the heights of Origins but I still enjoyed them.

Seeing the devs and former devs belittling fans who've had a negative opinion of what they've seen of the new game was incredibly disheartening. Gaider called fans who thought Origins was best in the series "tourists"? We've been here since the series launch, how can we be "tourists"?
Instead of assuaging concerns they just hurl insults on social media, even if these were concerns of some vocal minority how does that paint a good picture of how you treat fans of the series?

I'm sick of modern politics infecting everything; I dinnae care who or whatever side you vote for, just leave me out of it and leave it out products that are supposed to be entertaining.

He wasn't calling Origins fans tourists, I mean I hate that word in principle but at least contextualize it accurately. He was calling people who didn't notice "woke" content in the games since Origins tourists.

Also. He was the writer, if anything you would want him back despite what he says because he gave us characters like Morrigan and Alistair.

And is credited in writing the Dragon Age setting (Thedas)

As disappointing as that is for fans, that's the dude you want for DA.

[Dayth]

Originally posted by AbyssDemon:

Also. He was the writer, if anything you would want him back despite what he says because he gave us characters like Morrigan and Alistair.

And is credited in writing the Dragon Age setting (Thedas)

As disappointing as that is for fans, that's the dude you want for DA.

You're not wrong about him being instrumental in creating the series but that was 15 years ago. I'm apprehensive about his return fixing anything with his current attitude.

People celebrated Russell T Davies returning to Doctor Who thinking the show would be more like how it was when he was in charge 15 years ago and if anything it got even worse. A person's goals can change a lot in that time.

[Valkyria]

Am I one of the five super fans?

[AbyssDemon]

Originally posted by Dayth:

Originally posted by AbyssDemon:

Also. He was the writer, if anything you would want him back despite what he says because he gave us characters like Morrigan and Alistair.

And is credited in writing the Dragon Age setting (Thedas)

As disappointing as that is for fans, that's the dude you want for DA.

The not wrong about him being instrumental in creating the series but that was 15 years ago.I'm apprehensive about his return fixing anything with his current attitude.

People celebrated Russell T Davies returning to Doctor Who thinking the show would be more like how it was when he was in charge 15 years ago and if anything the show got even worse. A person's goals can change a lot in that time.

You aren't wrong about bringing back creators of something isn't always a plus, but to be quite honest Gaider is never going to return. His relationship with Bioware during the Anthem era completely soured. You know what comments people aren't posting? How he's not sure if he'd even play DA:VG just in case he thinks he could make it better, or in case it makes him devalue someone like Weekes's work.

He's been vocal against Bioware for years, and he was around since 1999

My point is, we can't lament the old, but not allow space for the new. I'm a fan of Gaider's writing but think Weekes has a special talent for bringing characters to life. Weekes helped work on characters like Mordin. Additionally they wrote the Masked Empire.

I love DA, books, comics - Dawn of The Seeker I watched. Played through Origins to Inquisition multiple times.

I have many concerns, but as someone who very much skipped out on ME:A because they deviated, I'm seeing something different in this than I did in ME:A (which ended up being an ok game years later when I played though I'd never replay it tbh)

Where do we draw the line here? Of who gets to work on this IP. People have been calling for Bioware Devs to lose their job since DA2.

[AbyssDemon]

Originally posted by juulstrup83:

Originally posted by AbyssDemon:

He wasn't calling Origins fans tourists, I mean I hate that word in principle but at least contextualize it accurately. He was calling people who didn't notice "woke" content in the games since Origins tourists.

Also. He was the writer, if anything you would want him back despite what he says because he gave us characters like Morrigan and Alistair.

And is credited in writing the Dragon Age setting (Thedas)

As disappointing as that is for fans, that's the dude you want for DA.

One man does not carry a product, and people change and lose touch.

Yet new developers are constantly harrassed by communities because of their "inexperience" and also - who do YOU think should expand on the world setting Gaider practically wrote?

[AbyssDemon]

Originally posted by juulstrup83:

Originally posted by AbyssDemon:

Yet new developers are constantly harrassed by communities because of their "inexperience" and also - who do YOU think should expand on the world setting Gaider practically wrote?

Anyone who writes for Warhammer

Personally, if I were to give the series to anyone, it would be Larian. Since they'd understand the fantasy setting a bit better.

[マスキュリン]

Originally posted by sinh:

treating the player as if its a literal 5 year old child

This is the reason most of these "modern audience" games are bad. They dont take the player serious. Veilguard has a really bad colouring and everythings looks clean as if it is made for 6 year old by Disney. And I'm pretty sure the game will not takle any topic that could trigger someone (Origin had lots of rascism and other topics integraded - can't show this to the twitter Karens without triggeren them I guess). So it will be a "soft modern" delivery with every possible edge removed.

If I look at Baldur's Gate 3 for example: You can literally go though the game genociding everyone and anything (quests be damned) if you choose to. It's up to the player. Also a lot of quests have at least two ways to be handled, if not more. Veilguard seems to be it will be as flat as possible.

Maybe I'm wrong and it turns out great, but I doubt it. And the (unconfirmed) leaks doesn't give me much hope (but we will see I guess).

[AbyssDemon]

Originally posted by Sugram22:

Originally posted by AbyssDemon:

He wasn't calling Origins fans tourists, I mean I hate that word in principle but at least contextualize it accurately. He was calling people who didn't notice "woke" content in the games since Origins tourists.

Also. He was the writer, if anything you would want him back despite what he says because he gave us characters like Morrigan and Alistair.

And is credited in writing the Dragon Age setting (Thedas)

As disappointing as that is for fans, that's the dude you want for DA.

well 1DAV creator is calling fan tourist if fan has critique the game (that's disrespectful and antagonistic)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRx6Wb12wZs
the guy (video author) also mentions that word woke has lost its meaning sins how anti-woke crowd is using it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl5iMw_2UQE

Yes, that is David Gaider - the guy who doesn't work for Bioware anymore, hasn't for years but also was the Lead Writer and practically creator of Thedas.....as I explained in the post your quoting me from.

I just -??

[AbyssDemon]

Originally posted by juulstrup83:

Originally posted by AbyssDemon:

Personally, if I were to give the series to anyone, it would be Larian. Since they'd understand the fantasy setting a bit better.

That is correct but I thought we were solely talking about writers.

But if you give it to Larian you lose your precious aRPG mechanics.

Aw, you thought that was a gotcha moment. For someone who likes Warhammer I'm a bit surprised you aren't able to enjoy your settings in multiple combat mechanic styles.

Edit: I was talking about writers. Larian has amazing writers.

[Bob]

Originally posted by Valkyria:

Am I one of the five super fans?

Definitely.

[JIK]

no one forces you to buy a game. you don't like modern ones play bg1 and bg2 and mod them to your liking same for origins.opinions are welcomed by companies that care for their consumers generally but no one can make a game everyone likes be it graphics or some other ♥♥♥♥♥ they don't like there won't ever be a perfect game as everything improves or becomes worse depending on perspective of person.

[sinh]

Originally posted by JIK:

no one forces you to buy a game. you don't like modern ones play bg1 and bg2 and mod them to your liking same for origins.opinions are welcomed by companies that care for their consumers generally but no one can make a game everyone likes be it graphics or some other ♥♥♥♥♥ they don't like there won't ever be a perfect game as everything improves or becomes worse depending on perspective of person.

this is the exact word-vomit im talking about. you add nothing to the conversation because of how meaningless what you said is.

youre right, nobody is forcing me to buy this game. but also, nobody is stopping me from making this post saying how an old fan is very unhappy with what EA is doing.

"go play older games" blah blah is a shallow point. imagine being a star wars fan as an example, loving the OG 3 movies, lore, etc, etc and liking the prequels then the new age star wars comes out and its bad. ofc fans are unhappy, and saying "just go watch the older movies" is such a stupid comment. they already seen the older movies, same how i already played the older games.

i dont want a game "everyone likes". i want dragon age. veilguard is anything but dragon age only using the names and locations of dragon age.