Okay how are people mad about this?

[Ezikeyal | TTV]

The Non Binary option is something you have to scroll to, and the Top Surgery scars are something you have to hunt for in the CC, The fact people are upset is wild to me, go play something you actually like instead of yucking someone's yum over a non-issue

[Bobble]

You gotta understand, these people live to be offended. Their sole reason for getting up in the morning is to cry online about inclusivity in media. Outrage merchants profit big time over getting them riled up over the most inconsequential things

[JerBeware]

Origineel geplaatst door Bobble:

You gotta understand, these people live to be offended. Their sole reason for getting up in the morning is to cry online about inclusivity in media. Outrage merchants profit big time over getting them riled up over the most inconsequential things

Is that outrage or being a victim? Let's ask P'Nut.

[JerBeware]

Origineel geplaatst door poppindancers:

I think most of the people are complaining about the cringe dialogue and story.

Well, at least I am, not touching it with a ten feet pole.

I'll be honest (and I've waffled a bit on this) ... given that it has decent gameplay and combat, I may give it a spin if I'm bored one day and they have it on a deep discount.

[Cyrigal]

Origineel geplaatst door JerBeware:

Origineel geplaatst door poppindancers:

I think most of the people are complaining about the cringe dialogue and story.

Well, at least I am, not touching it with a ten feet pole.

I'll be honest (and I've waffled a bit on this) ... given that it has decent gameplay and combat, I may give it a spin if I'm bored one day and they have it on a deep discount.

If you do get bored, one option is to get a month of EA play pro for $16, play veil guard, beat it and use the rest of the 30 days to try out some indies they have on there like breathedge or into the breach. Thats what I did anyway

[Swans]

Origineel geplaatst door Cyrigal:

Origineel geplaatst door JerBeware:

I'll be honest (and I've waffled a bit on this) ... given that it has decent gameplay and combat, I may give it a spin if I'm bored one day and they have it on a deep discount.

If you do get bored, one option is to get a month of EA play pro for $16, play veil guard, beat it and use the rest of the 30 days to try out some indies they have on there like breathedge or into the breach. Thats what I did anyway

This is sound advice. I've got about 3 weeks left of an EA Play Pro sub I blagged through work, and playing VG on that. And I am so glad! I'm enjoying the game, but I'd be feeling short changed if i paid full price for it, as the quality isn't there IMO.

I don't think the game has any replay value in it, so for most people, a month in EAPP will see them finish the game before the sub is done.

[smidlee]

I will say there is a good chance it will be on Gamepass.

[Yukiko Honomiko]

Origineel geplaatst door Cyrigal:

Origineel geplaatst door CokeDealer:

But is it? Pulling a barve was supposed to be 10 pushups to repent. She only did 5.

The second statement obviously.

(Also, "go play something you actually like" is exactly what we'd like to do, please stop skullfu­cking existing franchises and put your disgusting ideology in your own brand new IPs like Concord and Dustborn.)

Which goes too far. You're talking to other human beings, the people "on the other side" believe you support infringing on Human rights by demanding games don't represent certain groups because immersion and realism in a fantasy setting. To say that queer people shouldn't be put in existing franchises because it ruins them makes it seem like you think less of queer people when they are your equals so instead of going nuclear people should have thoughtful debate. That's why the above was a shameful take

There we go. Another case of someone who is (presumably) not non-binary speaking up for us. I DON'T WANT YOUR INCLUSION. I DON'T NEED YOUR STUPID DUMBED DOWN, CONDESCENDING AND DISRESPECTFUL DEPICTION OF WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ME AS A PERSON IN A GAME.

Stop white-knighting cringe, disgusting and just wrong way to picture what struggling with gender identity actually is, acting as if "inclusion" is something sacred to you, when in reality you don't even know what it means.

Forcing a quota system of pseudo-identity characters who are insulting and over-generalized (yes, I'm talking about you, Taash) is NOT inclusion. Inclusion is letting the player play who they want and giving as much freedom as possible.

For me, who struggled with gender identity for years it is like a spit to the face. Because you act like you're "including" me in the game by making this blatently toxic, arrogant and self-absorbed character who uses cringe, californian language - which would be fine, I could just ignore it and move on -but then you claim that character is your way of including me????

No.

This is true shame, and you know what? I prefer (actual, not branded by you because they disagree with you) biggots who insult me to you. Because biggots I can at least understand being mentally challenged, simpleton or uneducated, and I can sympathize with that. Also in many cases it is possible to talk with them normally.

But you are just a scourge. You don't listen, you act as if you're white knights fighting for others when you're really just harming them, you enforce your "one and true only just" way of dealing with social issues and you antagonize everyone making everyone feel uncomfortable. You pick fights with people who are clearly different from you, causing issues which never existed to begin with and to make things THE WORST is you act, talk and probably believe you are in the right, calling people out on any disagreement.

THAT'S truly shameful.

[Yukiko Honomiko]

And to make things clear the reason I write here is that Dragon Age was one of my dear franchises I loved a lot. It had depth and it was so cool, I never had more fun than converting a save from DA: origins into Inqusition. Back then the politics were not a leading issue when making games.

But this is just a parody, and I refuse to take part in it. Please just leave games alone. You are like the rich with food, every time poor people have something cheap and nice they come and ruin it. You do the same with media. Every time non-politcal people have a nice franchise you come and ruin it for us.

[Cyrigal]

Origineel geplaatst door Termix:

Origineel geplaatst door Ezikeyal | TTV:

The Non Binary option is something you have to scroll to, and the Top Surgery scars are something you have to hunt for in the CC, The fact people are upset is wild to me, go play something you actually like instead of yucking someone's yum over a non-issue

Have you read the actual criticism people have about the game or are you just taking the ragebait that influencers use to grow their followership?

Even if you want to talk about the CC - it's totally fine with me that these options exist, but why would you limit other sliders to minimum effect? And the answer is most likely political correctness.

Maybe you have a better answer for me?

I might.

So just for some background veil guard is the first in the series to let you modify your body in any way. So when you so they limited the effect of sliders? compared to what? Other games from different developers?

You assume its political correctness, but couldn't it just as easily be to prevent armor clipping etc? We just don't know

[SadShadow]

The game has bad optimization.

The game has bad level design.

The game has bad scene staging.

Whoever wrote the dialogue for the game knows absolutely nothing about screenwriting. All the conversations are empty. The information is repeated. The characters sit and say the same thing over and over, like parrots. It's boring to listen to them. They have a hard time empathizing.

In the fantasy world, fantasy races have lost their unique . Elves speak with an asian accent and look like actors from a really cheap TV series. It's as if they took people from different cultures, put big ears on them and said - you are elves. People, if you put ears on someone and dress them in funny clothes, they will not become a fantasy people.

Not to mention a lot of other problems. For example, some players' saves and character settings are lost. Character settings. The female model is just a male model with bulges screwed onto it. This is not an project AAA level, but an indie studio level. This is not the level that everyone expected from BoiWare.

But the creators of the game only say that they have a non-binary character and the hero can have breast removal scars. It looks like a mockery.

[Yukiko Honomiko]

Origineel geplaatst door SadShadow:

The game has bad optimization.

The game has bad level design.

The game has bad scene staging.

Whoever wrote the dialogue for the game knows absolutely nothing about screenwriting. All the conversations are empty. The information is repeated. The characters sit and say the same thing over and over, like parrots. It's boring to listen to them. They have a hard time empathizing.

In the fantasy world, fantasy races have lost their unique . Elves speak with an asian accent and look like actors from a really cheap TV series. It's as if they took people from different cultures, put big ears on them and said - you are elves. People, if you put ears on someone and dress them in funny clothes, they will not become a fantasy people.

Not to mention a lot of other problems. For example, some players' saves and character settings are lost. Character settings. The female model is just a male model with bulges screwed onto it. This is not an project AAA level, but an indie studio level. This is not the level that everyone expected from BoiWare.

But the creators of the game only say that they have a non-binary character and the hero can have breast removal scars. It looks like a mockery.

I just love how the woke are so pretenscious they fixate on terminology and labels so much, that they compeltely lose the point.

I am what they would call non-binary (struggled with such, details not important atm).

LAST THING I ever thought about was labels, names etc. I was too busy, you know, being depressed, trying to figure it out, visiting medical professionals etc.

It's a joke looking at these people acting as if slapping a label on a person = helping them. Someone who truly went through this sh*t doesn't give a duck about terms. If anything I hate the term "non-binary", because it sounds like trying to slap a scientific, single-word term for something that is much more complex.

You are right. It is a mockery.

[Cyrigal]

Origineel geplaatst door Yukiko Honomiko:

Origineel geplaatst door Cyrigal:

The second statement obviously.

(Also, "go play something you actually like" is exactly what we'd like to do, please stop skullfu­cking existing franchises and put your disgusting ideology in your own brand new IPs like Concord and Dustborn.)

Which goes too far. You're talking to other human beings, the people "on the other side" believe you support infringing on Human rights by demanding games don't represent certain groups because immersion and realism in a fantasy setting. To say that queer people shouldn't be put in existing franchises because it ruins them makes it seem like you think less of queer people when they are your equals so instead of going nuclear people should have thoughtful debate. That's why the above was a shameful take

There we go. Another case of someone who is (presumably) not non-binary speaking up for us. I DON'T WANT YOUR INCLUSION. I DON'T NEED YOUR STUPID DUMBED DOWN, CONDESCENDING AND DISRESPECTFUL DEPICTION OF WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ME AS A PERSON IN A GAME.

Stop white-knighting cringe, disgusting and just wrong way to picture what struggling with gender identity actually is, acting as if "inclusion" is something sacred to you, when in reality you don't even know what it means.

Forcing a quota system of pseudo-identity characters who are insulting and over-generalized (yes, I'm talking about you, Taash) is NOT inclusion. Inclusion is letting the player play who they want and giving as much freedom as possible.

For me, who struggled with gender identity for years it is like a spit to the face. Because you act like you're "including" me in the game by making this blatently toxic, arrogant and self-absorbed character who uses cringe, californian language - which would be fine, I could just ignore it and move on -but then you claim that character is your way of including me????

No.

This is true shame, and you know what? I prefer (actual, not branded by you because they disagree with you) biggots who insult me to you. Because biggots I can at least understand being mentally challenged, simpleton or uneducated, and I can sympathize with that. Also in many cases it is possible to talk with them normally.

But you are just a scourge. You don't listen, you act as if you're white knights fighting for others when you're really just harming them, you enforce your "one and true only just" way of dealing with social issues and you antagonize everyone making everyone feel uncomfortable. You pick fights with people who are clearly different from you, causing issues which never existed to begin with and to make things THE WORST is you act, talk and probably believe you are in the right, calling people out on any disagreement.

THAT'S truly shameful.

You made a bunch of assumptions about me
you made it all about you, not everything is about you
Asking people to be respectful while debating is not white knighting
Glad you figured out your gender identity, work on your attitude next

[Mysti_Fogg]

Origineel geplaatst door nove:

I guess you havent seen this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHpsKLo8HfE

You know, I never really saw the full scene before. Everyone always clips just the nonbinary stuff out of it. Let me make a list of the writing failures, because it sounds like someone who read about Qunari culture but failed to implement it.

1) Why is Taash inviting this random Qunari woman to dinner. Because under the Qun, that is what she is. A bio mother is not a mother. The mother who raised Taash would be mother. It's essentially weird in Qunari terms to want her approval, which Taash seems to want because this woman should mean nothing to her.

2) Why does this random woman show up? Taash means nothing to her beyond maybe a curiousity.

3) Why does this random woman care about being an "inadequate mother?" Of course she's not a good mother. She's a scholar it's not her job. It would be like me getting emotional over not being a good plumber. I never trained as a plumber. Of course I'm not good at it. I don't owe anyone any apologies for that lack unless I told them I could fix their toilet.

4) Getting into nonbinary stuff both because it is modern and because makes ZERO sense for a Qunari since they view gender as the decider of their job. Basically to declare yourself neither male nor female for THEM is to leave their religion and go into exile.

5) The vegetable thing seemed to be to have some kind of significance over difficult parents, except that this woman was not Taash's parent, and we don't know Qunari hospitality rules to actually know if Taash was rude or the woman was.

The writing team really just does not seem to know how to write Qunari. Humans have, for simplification purposes, a black and white morality. You've heard of such a thing, yes? Qunari have an orange and blue morality. Their culture is so different than ours that what is right and wrong is judged by very different, alien-to-us morals.

Trying to make the Qunari human is a poor choice.

[hulmey676]

I'm angry because it was found out Taash isn't non binary after all but non buy nary instead!!!! This means Taash never bought the game herself! And I thought this game had inclusion...

[Cyrigal]

Origineel geplaatst door Mysti_Fogg:

Origineel geplaatst door nove:

I guess you havent seen this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHpsKLo8HfE

You know, I never really saw the full scene before. Everyone always clips just the nonbinary stuff out of it. Let me make a list of the writing failures, because it sounds like someone who read about Qunari culture but failed to implement it.

1) Why is Taash inviting this random Qunari woman to dinner. Because under the Qun, that is what she is. A bio mother is not a mother. The mother who raised Taash would be mother. It's essentially weird in Qunari terms to want her approval, which Taash seems to want because this woman should mean nothing to her.

2) Why does this random woman show up? Taash means nothing to her beyond maybe a curiousity.

3) Why does this random woman care about being an "inadequate mother?" Of course she's not a good mother. She's a scholar it's not her job. It would be like me getting emotional over not being a good plumber. I never trained as a plumber. Of course I'm not good at it. I don't owe anyone any apologies for that lack unless I told them I could fix their toilet.

4) Getting into nonbinary stuff both because it is modern and because makes ZERO sense for a Qunari since they view gender as the decider of their job. Basically to declare yourself neither male nor female for THEM is to leave their religion and go into exile.

5) The vegetable thing seemed to be to have some kind of significance over difficult parents, except that this woman was not Taash's parent, and we don't know Qunari hospitality rules to actually know if Taash was rude or the woman was.

The writing team really just does not seem to know how to write Qunari. Humans have, for simplification purposes, a black and white morality. You've heard of such a thing, yes? Qunari have an orange and blue morality. Their culture is so different than ours that what is right and wrong is judged by very different, alien-to-us morals.

Trying to make the Qunari human is a poor choice.

Not commenting on the quality of the scene, but one of the first things you learn about taash and mom is they left the qun