Transgender Question - LGBTQ

[Brucock]

So, If you lived in a land of magic and sorcery, wouldn't there just be a potion or magic to make you either fully female or fully male? Wouldn't that be what the character wanted.... hence Trans in fantasy games (or Sci fi) games shouldn't really exist. Just point out a writing /Plot hole.

[Mysti_Fogg]

Originally posted by bayomaycry:

Originally posted by Mysti_Fogg:

Even if you did, it's been established that you can end up with scars anyway. Scars are an option starting in Origins. this is just the first time we've been able to put scars on torsos and not just faces.

I fail to see the issue tbh.

The games would be very different if it were just established as a world without scars (just scars, I'm not talking about any specific type).

If no one was scarred, or at least most people weren't scarred because magic fixes everything, you'd have people horrified by heavily scarred people showing up. And then trying to fix them. Or maybe there's horrible things said about people with scars, like they're too poor to afford basic medicine. They could have been a sign of stigma.

Bioware could have built a world without scars, but didn't.

Scars are considered a normal thing that happens to you in Thedas

[Anonymous2013]

Originally posted by bayomaycry:

Originally posted by Anonymous2013:

It pretty much has no place in fantasy, especially in Dragon Age. From Origins to Inquisition, the series always had characters that were either gay, bi, or straight. Never trans.

There is one character in Inquisition that's a member of Bull's Chargers. Krem is from Tevinter and is a pretty weird character. Biologically speaking, Krem is a woman but Krem likes to play pretend to be a man and is reffered to as "he" or "Krem".
Krem in game has a very masculine character model and is voiced by a woman VA; you could easily mistake Krem for a kid in its late teens at first, but then starts saying that "I never was like other girls" and stuff like that.
But at the end of the day, Krem is just a woman with a square jaw wearing armor tailored for men.

In Veilguard you pretty much HAVE to turn trans if you want to unlock content you'd be normally cut out of.
It's a very poorly implemented thing that suggests the use of surgery and magic in combination in order to get these results.

'' From Origins to Inquisition, the series always had characters that were either gay, bi, or straight. Never trans. ''

https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Cremisius_Aclassi

Ignoring all that yammering below, he said there was no trans characters. Krem is, in fact, canonically, a trans character.

"Canonically" is a very nice word you use without backing it up properly aside from linking a fan wiki page.

Ignoring the asspull-white knight-wannabe move, there is no evidence that Krem underwent surgery/magical transformation in order to become a "man". Therefore, Krem is stil biogically a woman who thinks she's a man.

[Sir_Blaze]

scars in general sure i can see but 1 under each breast, that is there to emulate top surgery and even confirmed by the Dev's that this is what it is ment to represent :| now if it was a singular scar across the chest area more belivability that it's from a slash, 2 as your first thoughts were stab wounds as a possibility but the location of those 2 stab wounds would me a small case of death. even 1 in a medieval setting without magic would be tuch and go survivability .
I'm also not saying get the pitchforks out over it either, but what i am saying is it is showing hypocracy that oh we can cater to these people for inclusion but god forbid no we can't have female curves on the main character too, If they had the ability to cater for all /most body types i'd be more likely to let it fly but they singled in that 1 act and to me that smacks of exclusion rather than the inclusion they said they were after by doing it.

[[FF] FuelX]

I know it's from a different universe. In D&D lore, Elminster was transformed into a woman. It required the power of Mystra the Mistress of Magic, arguably the most powerful goddess in that universe.

[Oku]

Mages have only been free outside of Tevinter for a handful of years, most of them would not have the ability to completely change the body of another person in a way that didn't involve a fireball or other elemental equivalent, and magical items such as the mirrors that can alter your shape are extremely rare.

Your best option would be polymorph potions but those are also rare and expensive.

So while, yes, theoretically the magic to change your body like that does exist, the average person will never be able to benefit as an item that can do it is out of the reach of virtually everybody who isn't either extremely rich, extremely powerful, or extremely well-connected, and the spells to be able to do it would be known and able to be performed by people who would either never be met by the average person, or would be unwilling to do it.

[Nefesh]

No way man. It's totally ridiculous what you're saying.
I'm an expert in Dragon Age cannon.
Look at the Mage class, there are no SHAPESHIFTING spells. It's just fireballs and stuff. FOOL!
Mages can't SHAPESHIFT in Dragon Age. Bwa hahahaha CRETIN!
Play DrAGon AGe OrIGins and complete the Korcari Wilds right at the beginning of the game, only then will you understand and grow wise.

IMBECILE!!!

[Nicholas Gurr, Blackpill Ph.D]

if there was a sex change spell in the game how could they lecture you about real world mentally ill nonsense? blackrock didn't pay for a game that makes sense, they paid for propaganda.

[Abyssal Shift]

Let's assume in a magical world that yes you could cast a spell whatever and turn yourself into another gender. I assume you would still struggle with the decision to do so. Would you not?

[Chillin]

im commander Shepard and being non-gender conforming is my favorite gender on the Citadel

[Migromul]

Who the f... cares? and why do you think, that People aren't happy being trans?
There is a real interesting epsodoe of Enterprse next Generation, where a similar theme is the main plot, just vice-versa: there is a one-gender race, where peaple are, which are binary (e. g. male of female) Those people are happy being binary. But the society in this apisode forces them to go to medical treatment, that make them one-gender again...

[Arthel]

Originally posted by Brucock:

So, If you lived in a land of magic and sorcery, wouldn't there just be a potion or magic to make you either fully female or fully male? Wouldn't that be what the character wanted.... hence Trans in fantasy games (or Sci fi) games shouldn't really exist. Just point out a writing /Plot hole.

I think some characters in such world, that suffers from gender dysphoria, might have done what you said. But some people don't want to fully commit to the physical change, there are multiple layers of how far a trans person would go and extend themselves into the other gender. And there are trans people that don't want to look like the gender they were born with, but that don't want to look like what is the opposite gender, they're usually trans non-binary. And I think this is a very sci-fi and fantasy thing, to just want to shape yourself in different ways and uses your own means and not necessarily "all" the means available.

Plus it might be out of the reach of some people that would want to fully commit and be directly totally changed into the other gender they more relates to.
And also, it won't erase their past, people might recognized them still or have been aware of this change and, conflicts or not, could have happen related to that.

So I don't think it's a plot-hole but more like, a plot-ressource, there's plenty to write about this in any settings. I am not trans myself btw, it's just my two-cents about it and how I see it in this kind of universe, I totally understand it can take away the 4th wall of immersion for some people, because to many people it's a "nowadays" debate or thing, but if you look into history carefully trans people always existed and shouldn't be hold and catalysed as "the modern days thing".

Take care anyways and have a good game session, if you happen to own the game somewhere else, I'm gonna get it myself soon maybe.

[fangerzero]

Originally posted by Mister Sir:

Originally posted by Cream corn:

but my mustached guy with huge tits

I mean thats a lie, game got no huge tatas or butts. Which is sad considering how inclusive they wanted to be.

As a female, I was surprised by the small breasts of the humans. I didn't check the other races. But I felt the largest breast you could get was a B cup, so much for inclusivity, only pertains to minorities I guess.

[GolfLover420]

Originally posted by Migromul:

Who the f... cares?

The 5 million people they needed to buy this game but refused to.

[Anonymous2013]

Originally posted by bayomaycry:

Originally posted by Anonymous2013:

"Canonically" is a very nice word you use without backing it up properly aside from linking a fan wiki page.

Ignoring the asspull-white knight-wannabe move, there is no evidence that Krem underwent surgery/magical transformation in order to become a "man". Therefore, Krem is stil biogically a woman who thinks she's a man.

If you think that, go ahead. Doesn't change the fact they're a man in the game. :)
Also i'm not sure where you got that you need surgery to be trans. I feel like you don't even know how it works.. :p

How about you actually brush up on the lore and take a moment to get off that high horse you're comfortably seated on.
Being a woman and dressing up as a man doesn't make you trans, it makes you a "crosdresser".
To actually be a trans you need to apply modern day treatment. Estrogen/Testosterone treatment, surgical intervention, etc.
If you want to play the white knight defender, at least arm yourself with proper knowledge.

[Thanatos]

LOL