People wondering how is Veilguard "representation" different to previous DA games are stupid.

[sinh]

I've seen too many people say "previous dragon age games were woke as hell, how is this an issue now suddenly" already answered their own question.

It wasn't an issue before because it was written much better, it had characters and not caricatures. Dorian is a prime example. I really enjoyed that character because his whole character arc was breaking the magister from Tevinter stigma who HAPPENED to be gay. Not the other way around. If you didn't pursue his romance path, he was just a cool dude who wanted to prove that not every mage from Tevinter is an old god worshiping, blood sacrificing, slave driving, power hungry tyrant. That was his character.

Krem mentioning he is trans only if you decide to press that topic with him. It wasn't so in your face. Sera was just an annoying ♥♥♥♥ nobody cared about. Not because she was a lesbian. And these are just the few examples from the most "woke" dragon age and the main reason why I only used Inquisition as an example. Previous DA games followed similar way. This was never an issue before. Priority was good writing in a believable world.

Veilguard is anything but good writing. Everyone looks like a cosplayer, talking like they are all in their mid twenties from California. It's unavoidable, you can't offend anyone, you are being talked down to as if you are a child.

Seriously that Isabela scene where she does TEN(but actually it's only 5) push ups because she misgendered Tash, then go on a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Dora the Explorer rant about how to apologize is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgusting.

There's normal LGBT representation in games, while still being a good game with good, engaging writing. Examples being BG3, Cyberpunk. And then there's Veilguard where its not LGBT representation. It's a hostile takeover of a 15+ year old established franchise and world, brainwashing and propaganda.

[sinh]

Originally posted by Dusk of Oolacile:

Representation isn't about you, it's about them. Companions are narcissist self-inserts from the dev team. They are representing themselves.

T(r)aash is literally Corinne Busche. It never was about you. It's them and their bubble universe.

Theater kids pretending to be Shakespeare. Failing horribly at it, start blaming everyone else but them because taking responsibility is offensive. The cycle repeats until the suits see they are losing money. That's the only thing that will make this change.

When execs see they are losing money. It's never about the player, never about you or me. It's only about the money. Consulting firms scared the suits into thinking this is the way moving forward, they listened and now look what's happening.

[stillwolfer]

i agree 100%, the issue with the game is that it has completely nothing to offer and even the writing is gone, which supposed to me a milestone

[garjian]

Originally posted by Ratch:

It's real
There's at least 15 minutes of this that's been leaked. Someone saved the streamables since YT vids are getting instantly nuked.

"Nobody likes being a woman": https://streamable.com/amyr4e

"I can't even be a woman right" Parts 1-3: https://streamable.com/gx8dqk https://streamable.com/t9bnv7 https://streamable.com/25xxxz

"Kay Bye" Parts 1-2: https://streamable.com/851l5g https://streamable.com/0bxhw8

"Ready to talk to my mother" Parts 1-2: https://streamable.com/baey9r https://streamable.com/and3nd

"So I'm non-binary" Parts 1-2: https://streamable.com/3vux4h https://streamable.com/7xzuvf

"The Dragon King" Parts 1-2: https://streamable.com/3s2wso https://streamable.com/4enth1

"Pulling a Bharv" Parts 1-3: https://streamable.com/m3b7rv https://streamable.com/4elqwu https://streamable.com/osj0aw

"You Smell Good": https://streamable.com/jf8cs5

If I get shot for this post, whether it be from the volume of links or their content, don't let them use my body for science.

If you have played Dragon Age 2, remember, THIS IS A QUNARI.
You have the option to play as a Qunari, and the dialogue will be the same.

[Mauman]

Originally posted by garjian:

Originally posted by Ratch:

It's real
There's at least 15 minutes of this that's been leaked. Someone saved the streamables since YT vids are getting instantly nuked.

"Nobody likes being a woman": https://streamable.com/amyr4e

"I can't even be a woman right" Parts 1-3: https://streamable.com/gx8dqk https://streamable.com/t9bnv7 https://streamable.com/25xxxz

"Kay Bye" Parts 1-2: https://streamable.com/851l5g https://streamable.com/0bxhw8

"Ready to talk to my mother" Parts 1-2: https://streamable.com/baey9r https://streamable.com/and3nd

"So I'm non-binary" Parts 1-2: https://streamable.com/3vux4h https://streamable.com/7xzuvf

"The Dragon King" Parts 1-2: https://streamable.com/3s2wso https://streamable.com/4enth1

"Pulling a Bharv" Parts 1-3: https://streamable.com/m3b7rv https://streamable.com/4elqwu https://streamable.com/osj0aw

"You Smell Good": https://streamable.com/jf8cs5

If I get shot for this post, whether it be from the volume of links or their content, don't let them use my body for science.

If you have played Dragon Age 2, remember, THIS IS A QUNARI.
You have the option to play as a Qunari, and the dialogue will be the same.

Me, thinking that Sten was how the Qunari should have STAYED.

Everything past Origins was a mistake.

[sinh]

Originally posted by stillwolfer:

i agree 100%, the issue with the game is that it has completely nothing to offer and even the writing is gone, which supposed to me a milestone

i wonder why they were so heavily focusing on the character creator with the marketing. because the only effort that went into this game were the hair physics

[TaKo]

Originally posted by garjian:

If you have played Dragon Age 2, remember, THIS IS A QUNARI

the games have estabilished a very distinct difference between Qunari the race/species and the culture/society since DA:O and specially dove further into that in 2 with their heavy presence in act 2

Taash is not of the Qun, and for example neither was a Qunari inquisitor in DAI and im pretty sure a Qunari Rook is also Vashoth

tl;dr: fake fan spotted

Originally posted by Mauman:

Me, thinking that Sten was how the Qunari should have STAYED..

incredibly weird to wish a people was completely uniform with no development or variance, kinda sad

did u also get mad when more surface dwarves that broke from orzamar traditions got introduced as the series went on?

[Janthis]

Literally wishful self-insert fantasies / group therapy for theater kids.

[Mauman]

Originally posted by TaKo:

Originally posted by Mauman:

Me, thinking that Sten was how the Qunari should have STAYED..

incredibly weird to wish a people was completely uniform with no development or variance, kinda sad

did u also get mad when more surface dwarves that broke from orzamar traditions got introduced as the series went on?

Strange you took that so personally.

Or sad.

Maybe both.

[canallabellaca]

i aint reading all that also the game is not even out to talk about the writing be serious

[sinh]

Originally posted by canallabellaca:

i aint reading all that also the game is not even out to talk about the writing be serious

smartest veilguard owner right here

[sinh]

Originally posted by Zhorge:

Why do you people say things like this? If's flat-out BS. DA:O was anything but 'woke" and it certainly didn't have this silly, 2020+ 'representation.' Even Inquisition, which started down this path, wasn't anywhere near this level of 2020+ hyperventilating.

I've seen the leaked clips.

The game is ugly. It looks like a mobile game had a baby with Fortniight. The game is bad on all fronts. The dialog is it's poorly written. Everyone is constantly talking down at and lecturing everyone else like they're stupid toddlers. The puzzles are brain-dead. The combat is brain dead. The enemies are sponges. Your companions are close to worthless...

And, like Inquisition, there are no meaningful choices with a campaign on rails because BioWare thinks you're too stupid to make it through a complex CRPG where you can make meaningful mistakes.

There is no "didn't rescue Sten in time' error possible. My first DA:O playthrough I couldn't rescue him because I didn't have Lillana and I couldn't pick the lock, so I left him to die because I thought he could not be rescued. Only later, when everyone was talking about what a great NPC he was, did I find out that I had blown it. There were other things I screwed up.

You can't do that anymore in a BioWare CRPG. Now it's all on rails and you get your participation trophy at the end.

But, no, it was NOT 'full of representation.' It was just a dark fantasy CRPG, not a modern political screed disguised as a CRPG.

where have i said anything about "full of representation"? you putting it in quotation marks is basically putting words in my mouth. i only pointed out the intellectual dishonesty of people using "DA has always been woke" excuse. i think you should take your own advice and stop with the "flat-out bs"

[Laeski]

Yup. Previous games were diverse, but it was done well. They writers did a great story, the engineers made good gameplay, and all in all it was a good mix.

What this game does is that it preaches to you about modern day politics. I want my escapism, not modern day politics in my game.

[sinh]

Originally posted by Laeski:

Yup. Previous games were diverse, but it was done well. They writers did a great story, the engineers made good gameplay, and all in all it was a good mix.

What this game does is that it preaches to you about modern day politics. I want my escapism, not modern day politics in my game.

and yet i still see comments and threads on here completely missing the whole point and still dont understand how bg3 is hailed as an amazing game even when its "just as woke". when the truth is. bg3 writers got hired because they are good at their craft. bioware writers were hired because of other reasons.

[MrQun]

Yes the previous games had politics in it. But there is a big difference between having politics in a game to tell a compelling story as opposed to political activism. Sadly Veilguard is the latter and it is blatantly obvious.

[Mysti_Fogg]

Quality matters. Especially when handling political hot potatoes.