Dragon Age™: The Veilguard

Dragon Age™: The Veilguard

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YeahYeah Oct 30, 2024 @ 8:04pm
The old Bioware is long gone, the writers either left or got laid off
BioWare has changed a lot since the Dragon Age: Origins era, and not just because of time. Many of the original team members who defined the company’s storytelling magic aren’t there anymore. Over the years, key writers, designers, and developers who shaped Dragon Age and Mass Effect either left due to creative differences or were laid off in restructuring moves. Recently, BioWare laid off around 50 employees, including veterans like Mary Kirby, the writer behind characters like Varric. This restructuring, led by EA (BioWare's parent company since 2007), was intended to make the studio "more agile," but it’s also left it with far fewer of the creative minds that fans connected with.

In recent years, EA has pushed BioWare toward a “live service” model (think Anthem) and cost-cutting measures, which affected project direction and team dynamics. Even Dragon Age: Veilguard, originally planned with multiplayer features, was retooled back to a single-player RPG after fans pushed back. However, with many long-time team members gone, there’s concern that BioWare’s unique character-driven storytelling may be harder to preserve.

In short, BioWare today operates with a smaller, more streamlined team and a different focus. Some fans worry that without the original creators, the “soul” of BioWare’s storytelling has changed.
Last edited by YeahYeah; Oct 30, 2024 @ 8:08pm
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RoJo Nov 6, 2024 @ 8:50pm 
Originally posted by Lumen:
Originally posted by RoJo:
This is a sad fact. But tends to happen to great studios once they get into bed with large companies like EA.
As soon as investors factor in, they usually dont care about product quality.
They are mostly intrested in return of investment.

Sad, but true.
V.V. Nov 6, 2024 @ 8:59pm 
Originally posted by SiNRabbit:
Trick Weekes was a major writer of Inquisition, a lead writer of two DLC for inquisition, the writer for Iron Bull and Krem, the writer for Taash, and the lead writer for Veilguard in general.

You don't have to go for the coy sinister implications. You can just say you blame them.

You're wrong, Inquisition sold great and Veilguard is EA's best selling single-player game to date at this point in release, but you can just say it directly.

You're source didn't say he was a 'major' writer, just a writer, and he took on a few of the characters. He still had to answer to his lead for direction. Until he was made the lead for the DLC's, which I didn't even bother with, because the main game was already really long and drawn out. I was tapped out, and opted to just watch video's for the DLC's.

Uh, I didn't say anything against Inquisition selling great... did you not pay attention to the hype surrounding that game before it released? Everyone was ready for another DA, of course it was going to sell great, it was a time before people got burned enough by BioWare to tread with more caution around purchasing their products. It was before Anthem aswell. As for Veilguard... thats pretty sad if it's EA's best selling SP game to date. The active player numbers are abysmal and quite telling.
[SiN]Rabbit Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:02pm 
Originally posted by V.V.:
Originally posted by SiNRabbit:
Trick Weekes was a major writer of Inquisition, a lead writer of two DLC for inquisition, the writer for Iron Bull and Krem, the writer for Taash, and the lead writer for Veilguard in general.

You don't have to go for the coy sinister implications. You can just say you blame them.

You're wrong, Inquisition sold great and Veilguard is EA's best selling single-player game to date at this point in release, but you can just say it directly.

You're source didn't say he was a 'major' writer, just a writer, and he took on a few of the characters. He still had to answer to his lead for direction. Until he was made the lead for the DLC's, which I didn't even bother with, because the main game was already really long and drawn out. I was tapped out, and opted to just watch video's for the DLC's.

Uh, I didn't say anything against Inquisition selling great... did you not pay attention to the hype surrounding that game before it released? Everyone was ready for another DA, of course it was going to sell great, it was a time before people got burned enough by BioWare to tread with more caution around purchasing their products. It was before Anthem aswell. As for Veilguard... thats pretty sad if it's EA's best selling SP game to date. The active player numbers are abysmal and quite telling.
Trick Weekes identifies via They/Them pronouns, and given they did the major writing for multiple characters, more than JUST those two, and were the lead writer for two DLC and are now the lead writer, it's a fair credit to refer to them as a "major writer" as opposed to just "writer" they've been credited as.
Mr. Bunce Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:04pm 
Originally posted by YeahYeah:
BioWare has changed a lot since the Dragon Age: Origins era, and not just because of time. Many of the original team members who defined the company’s storytelling magic aren’t there anymore. Over the years, key writers, designers, and developers who shaped Dragon Age and Mass Effect either left due to creative differences or were laid off in restructuring moves. Recently, BioWare laid off around 50 employees, including veterans like Mary Kirby, the writer behind characters like Varric. This restructuring, led by EA (BioWare's parent company since 2007), was intended to make the studio "more agile," but it’s also left it with far fewer of the creative minds that fans connected with.

In recent years, EA has pushed BioWare toward a “live service” model (think Anthem) and cost-cutting measures, which affected project direction and team dynamics. Even Dragon Age: Veilguard, originally planned with multiplayer features, was retooled back to a single-player RPG after fans pushed back. However, with many long-time team members gone, there’s concern that BioWare’s unique character-driven storytelling may be harder to preserve.

In short, BioWare today operates with a smaller, more streamlined team and a different focus. Some fans worry that without the original creators, the “soul” of BioWare’s storytelling has changed.
I don't know if you know this but people work at these game companies and the folks who are responsible for early titles are long, long gone. It's hard for any game company to retain its DNA as people change, the times change, and audience expectations change. You'll never, ever have the bioware of old back because that's literally impossible.
V.V. Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:08pm 
Originally posted by Lumen:
Since it's a my way or no way attitude, the barb wire in the hardliner groups only left you 2 choices ... with them or against them.
So are you on point with the complete woke agenda?
If not prepare to be called a nazi soon.
That's a generall problem with far left/right people, too far gone from reality.

I'm not a conformist, which naturally makes me a bigot. The so called 'far right' don't really come for me, maybe it's because Centrists are now considered 'far-right' these days.
[SiN]Rabbit Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:13pm 
Originally posted by V.V.:
Originally posted by Lumen:
Since it's a my way or no way attitude, the barb wire in the hardliner groups only left you 2 choices ... with them or against them.
So are you on point with the complete woke agenda?
If not prepare to be called a nazi soon.
That's a generall problem with far left/right people, too far gone from reality.

I'm not a conformist, which naturally makes me a bigot. The so called 'far right' don't really come for me, maybe it's because Centrists are now considered 'far-right' these days.
According to my European friends, the "american centrist" is right-wing.

Euro-far-right supports stuff like universal health care. American-centrists don't.
V.V. Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:24pm 
Originally posted by SiNRabbit:
Trick Weekes identifies via They/Them pronouns, and given they did the major writing for multiple characters, more than JUST those two, and were the lead writer for two DLC and are now the lead writer, it's a fair credit to refer to them as a "major writer" as opposed to just "writer" they've been credited as.

His pronouns, his problems. I believe writing is normally a joint effort by multiple writers, so Weekes isn't the only one writing or formulating idea's and plans for these characters, in fact the lead is the one overseeing the writing and providing heavy input. You're repeating things I already confirmed, I know he became the lead for the DLC's. He's a writer, who happened to have gotten a promotion. Under what circumstances, I don't know.
Shotoku Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:35pm 
Not since Witcher 3 have writers seemed to understand it's a FANTASY genre.
NOT modern day liberal Western Urban setting.
Literally nothing evaporates immersion more than narcissistic writers who would rather use thier game as a platform than be honest with the material.
My heart goes out to the environmental artists who knocked it out of the park... and will never get the recognition they deserve.
My hope/dream is that those in the industry that do resist and push back against this nonsense can go on and truly make the games they want without this desperate and vain warping of the authorial voice.
Last edited by Shotoku; Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:35pm
V.V. Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:36pm 
Originally posted by SiNRabbit:
According to my European friends, the "american centrist" is right-wing.

Euro-far-right supports stuff like universal health care. American-centrists don't.

Centrists are literally in the middle (center). They have Classic Liberal views as-well as Conservative views.
[SiN]Rabbit Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:36pm 
Originally posted by Shotoku:
Not since Witcher 3 have writers seemed to understand it's a FANTASY genre.
NOT modern day liberal Western Urban setting.
Literally nothing evaporates immersion more than narcissistic writers who would rather use thier game as a platform than be honest with the material.
My heart goes out to the environmental artists who knocked it out of the park... and will never get the recognition they deserve.
My hope/dream is that those in the industry that do resist and push back against this nonsense can go on and truly make the games they want without this desperate and vain warping of the authorial voice.
"fantasy" doesn't mean "european medieval dark ages"
[SiN]Rabbit Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:38pm 
Originally posted by V.V.:
Originally posted by SiNRabbit:
According to my European friends, the "american centrist" is right-wing.

Euro-far-right supports stuff like universal health care. American-centrists don't.

Centrists are literally in the middle (center). They have Classic Liberal views as-well as Conservative views.
By definition, yes.

But we're talking about the center of the american political spectrum, where the liberal party is already on the right so much so that it doesn't support universal health care, and the conservative party is extremely far right.

The "center" between those parties is right-wing.
V.V. Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:38pm 
Originally posted by SiNRabbit:
"fantasy" doesn't mean "european medieval dark ages"
It also doesn't mean '21st century identity politics'.
Lumen Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:41pm 
Originally posted by SiNRabbit:
Euro-far-right supports stuff like universal health care. American-centrists don't.
Because universal healthcare is a thing in Europe for decades.
I belive most countrys have it and are happy with it.
V.V. Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:43pm 
Originally posted by SiNRabbit:
Originally posted by V.V.:

Centrists are literally in the middle (center). They have Classic Liberal views as-well as Conservative views.
By definition, yes.

But we're talking about the center of the american political spectrum, where the liberal party is already on the right so much so that it doesn't support universal health care, and the conservative party is extremely far right.

The "center" between those parties is right-wing.

Liberals haven't changed. The left has changed, broke off from Liberalism and created their own little political tribe. Which has moved too far left, so everyone looks far-right to them.
[SiN]Rabbit Nov 6, 2024 @ 9:48pm 
Originally posted by V.V.:
Originally posted by SiNRabbit:
By definition, yes.

But we're talking about the center of the american political spectrum, where the liberal party is already on the right so much so that it doesn't support universal health care, and the conservative party is extremely far right.

The "center" between those parties is right-wing.

Liberals haven't changed. The left has changed, broke off from Liberalism and created their own little political tribe. Which has moved too far left, so everyone looks far-right to them.
Objectively untrue, as our euro-friend already covered before.
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