I remember when...

[Time Traveler]

Qunari were brutal and savage, Darkspawn were gruesome, Grey Wardens were dark but wise, the game was all about fun and adventure, and the only politics involved were from inside the game's world. Anybody else miss those days?

[GM Morgan]

I don't know, all those things seem to be true still in DAV. And for all the "modern politics" I've heard about in the game, I've finished it and found none.

[Hao Zhao]

"Back in my day!" LMAO

You don't remember the older games at all, apparently. Dragon Age: Origins was entirely based on real world politics. The main villain is a right-wing xenophobe whose greatest fear is foreigners sneaking across the border of Ferelden. He's so paralysed by hysteria that he would rather let monsters destroy the country than let the foreigners in.

[GM Morgan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Seekrt:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Time Traveler:

Qunari were brutal and savage, Darkspawn were gruesome, Grey Wardens were dark but wise, the game was all about fun and adventure, and the only politics involved were from inside the game's world. Anybody else miss those days?

It was made for prepubes.
All the Disney lovers will like this game for sure.

Unlike Disney, this game shows more than 2 frames worth of queer characters.

[Kurushimi]

I miss them a lot this game is no where near as fun as the old ones, it feels like all the dialog choices don't mean anything in Veilguard most of the time. Though I must say the politics in the old games felt WAY more fun. And the dialog was way less modern feeling, Veilguard has even cornier then marvel dialog.

[Balinux]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Time Traveler:

Qunari were brutal and savage, Darkspawn were gruesome, Grey Wardens were dark but wise, the game was all about fun and adventure, and the only politics involved were from inside the game's world. Anybody else miss those days?

True. These new devs had the recipe for success in previous titles, but insisted on failure for their own reasons.
At this point, the series needs a hard reset done by actual fans, or we will never see real Dragon age again.

[Tafka]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Time Traveler:

Qunari were brutal and savage, Darkspawn were gruesome, Grey Wardens were dark but wise, the game was all about fun and adventure, and the only politics involved were from inside the game's world. Anybody else miss those days?

I still remember and think it was in DA: Origins where Qunari sayed that there is no female qunari fighters... Im not sure because I played it like 10+ years ago

[Mewsha]

To be honest this is why you should form your own opinion instead of listening to what Youtubers tell you.

I have serious issues with the writing in this game, but the things you guys point out just aren't an issue in this game, aside from Thedas politics taking a backseat in this entry. There's plenty of violence and gore in this game. That's not the issue.

I keep seeing people talk about how Sten said there's no female warriors in the Antaam, and unfortunately it's not the gotcha that whichever Youtuber told you it was. That's specifically addressed, and probably one of the few lore points that are respected. Taash is not part of the Antaam first of all. Shathaan took Taash and fled to Rivain, not because she feared that Taash would become a warrior. She feared that Taash would become a weapon.

What people don't understand is that mages and firebreathers are weapons, not warriors. They live a miserable life similar to that of a slave. Chained, and only brought out for battle. So yeah, Shathaan had good reason to flee Par Vollen. Your Qunari can actually remark that there are no women in the Antaam, calling back to that line.

I find it so funny that this is what the anti-woke people are latching onto, like the one example where lore is being respected, called back to, and implemented into a character's story. It's like the one part of Taash's story that I actually found enjoyable, and maybe in another timeline that struggle between the collectivism of Par Vollen and the individualism of Rivain could have been explored in a more nuanced way, it was set up that way, until the painful self-inserts became so frequent and difficult to ignore, breaking any kind of immersion or even character development.

So yeah, stuff like that makes you look like a tourist...and it's just as cringey as some of the scenes in this game.

[sinh]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bayomaycry:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Time Traveler:

Qunari were brutal and savage, Darkspawn were gruesome, Grey Wardens were dark but wise, the game was all about fun and adventure, and the only politics involved were from inside the game's world. Anybody else miss those days?

'' i remember when ''

ok so go play that game instead of complaining about it here idk

if you only spent as much time playing this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of a "game" as defending it on the steam forums, you'd have way more than 30 hours played by now lmao

[Erylaria]

wow. tell on yourself more. you realize that literally in the first game, DAO, the devs introduce the concept of unreliable narrators like a f*ckin sledgehammer, right? (the entire questline around the urn of sacred ashes is about how unreliable narrators are extremely common in-universe)

the grey wardens were never "dark but wise" - that's the narrative they themselves seed in the world; that's the stories and legends about them in-universe; the grey wardens are a political faction like any other - with corruption and questionable decisions in their ranks (see isseya). alistair worships them because of the stories he grew up with - duncan is a hero from a fairytale to him. but that's not *reality*. what we see in veilguard, when we finally do get to the anderfels and weisshaupt, is much closer to the truth.

the qunari were never "savages" - that's the narrative about them that tevinter spreads towards the south (orlais + ferelden). the qun is a philosophy like any other - it has its good and bad parts, just like andrastianism. you need to realize that tevinter and the qunari (everyone, no matter their race/lineage, who follows the qun is qunari, not just the kossith) have been at war for literally forever. would you have trusted anything that germany spread about other countries during WW2? no. because it would have been propaganda. just like tevinter spreads propaganda about the qunari (and vice versa) - because they're at war. also, since they're at war, most people in tevinter (and the south) only ever interact with the antaam. of course they're gonna be more brutal than tamassrans. that's like judging the entire US based on their military presence overseas.

fact of the matter is: you people cannot read. please go back to highschool and learn some media literacy. this is embarrassing.

[Erylaria]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shrapnel:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hao Zhao:

"Back in my day!" LMAO

You don't remember the older games at all, apparently. Dragon Age: Origins was entirely based on real world politics. The main villain is a right-wing xenophobe whose greatest fear is foreigners sneaking across the border of Ferelden. He's so paralysed by hysteria that he would rather let monsters destroy the country than let the foreigners in.

The main villian was a dragon bro.
Woke leftist detected.

the main villain was the "archdemon" urthemiel - the soul/power of (probably) Sylaise - ancient elven goddess - controlling that dragon from the fade through blood magic and the blight. get it straight or shut up.

[Ffabbia]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shrapnel:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hao Zhao:

"Back in my day!" LMAO

You don't remember the older games at all, apparently. Dragon Age: Origins was entirely based on real world politics. The main villain is a right-wing xenophobe whose greatest fear is foreigners sneaking across the border of Ferelden. He's so paralysed by hysteria that he would rather let monsters destroy the country than let the foreigners in.

The main villian was a dragon bro.
Woke leftist detected.

Translation: I have never played Dragon Age Origins but watched a Youtube video about it once, and remember some stuff - barely. Also I am a chud, and seemingly proud of the fact, given my need to advertise it on every thread.

[Ffabbia]

It wasn't a dragon you shlonz, it was an Archdemon, and the game didn't end afterward.

You (allegedly) killed the Old God Urthemiel, and afterward you (allegedly) witnessed the scene inside the palace.

At least you don't deny being a chud, I'll give you that one at least.

[Sassy Robot]

Grey Wardens were wise... lol

Grey Wardens aren't wise. They are the picture of hapless ignorance. Had the Warden's method of combating the Blights been seen to its logical conclusion the Veil would have torn open and the world would have ended.

rEMemBER?!?!

[Sassy Robot]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tafka:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Time Traveler:

Qunari were brutal and savage, Darkspawn were gruesome, Grey Wardens were dark but wise, the game was all about fun and adventure, and the only politics involved were from inside the game's world. Anybody else miss those days?

I still remember and think it was in DA: Origins where Qunari sayed that there is no female qunari fighters... Im not sure because I played it like 10+ years ago

Another who doesn't understand basic lore concepts. Maybe instead of talking about things you know nothing about you should get a clue.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sassy Robot:

Grey Wardens were wise... lol

Grey Wardens aren't wise. They are the picture of hapless ignorance. Had the Warden's method of combating the Blights been seen to its logical conclusion the Veil would have torn open and the world would have ended.

rEMemBER?!?!

idk about wise but they prolly had to be tactful to somehow hold armies and land in regions with indigenous powers. like skilled in politics and street smort perhaps