Angryjoe just released his Veilguard review and gave it a 3/10

[Geek Ultra]

do you guys agree?

[Hebbish]

I stopped taking angryjoe seriously after his destiny 2 review. This was during the red war campaign when the game was actually ok. The dude livestreamed the entire campaign, and during the cutscenes, he would use that time to answer chat questions instead of paying attention to the story. Then his main complaint about the story was he didn't know what was going on. When he was called out for it on the destiny subreddit, he threw a temper tantrum and tried to play the victim. Like there is a lot of legit criticisms you could level for destiny even back during the good old days. But at least try to give an honest review.

If you want an honest negative review, I would watch skillup, and if you want an honest positive review, I would watch moritisimal. But ♥♥♥♥ angry joe!

[DaisyRay]

Everyone I like to watch play games enjoyed the game. The game has some flaws, but I still had so much fun with it. I just finished watching one of my favorite streamers finish the game and we were all so overwhelmed by the ending. Even though the majority of us had already seen it. Such a fun game, I give it 8/10. <3

https://www.twitch.tv/michaelbryan

[Lesdeth]

Originally posted by Geek Ultra:

do you guys agree?

I didn't like the look of the game so I didn't buy it, as I think DAO was the best game ever created. I watched people play it some and everything in that game is not Dragon Age. So yeah, I agree with Joe on this one. It looks terrible and the dialogue is horrid.

Also, don't forget the "return to form" fake reviews. Hell, even AI says that is extremely suspicious since that phrase is very rarely used.

[Fitness Lauch]

3/10 is the same rating which he gave Fallout 76 - a game which didn't even work properly at release, had no story or npcs in the game, was filled with bugs and glitches (and even game breaking bugs like people randomly losing their characters and all their progression), had a toxic p2w cash store and outright scammed people with real life items like the canvas bag (they did send influencers the proper product and everybody else got a low quality trash bag and their response was something like that the proper bag would have been too expensive to produce, they weren't even denying it lol).

While I do think that the game has it's flaws (quite a lot actually :p) I'm still enjoying it a lot. My main criticsm boils down to bad dialogues and no NG+ or other catch up mechanism for new playthroughs. Having to collect all the mementos and getting the faction rep up in new playthroughs really hurts the replayability. It's as annoying as the Skadu Tree fragments from the Elden Ring DLC, the majority doesn't enjoy collecting these either.

You can counter that review with the recommendation from the Larian CEO who is actually a dev by himself and earns his money by creating games instead of earning his money by mocking developers for not liking their work.

[Mewsha]

I agree with the above comment. I view it as legitimate as IGN's 9/10.

3/10 is crazy for a game that has no game breaking on release, is well optimized in terms of gameplay, but just has questionable writing. Not to mention for PC we got no Denuvo and no EA app, a massive step forward.

Anyone that veers far outside of 7/10 is clearly trying to push an agenda. I don't know anybody who has mentioned the guy in the last 5 years, so it sounds like audience capture to me...

[zack0niel]

he is just hate bashing I played the same game and its amazing on unbond with no quest markers or mini map. Solo without companion leveling one of the best modern action rpgs with tons of hidden leveling mechanics and deep character building. He lied about enemy sponges when there is a simple setting in unbound to change enemey health levels. He kept showing nonsense clips that dont happen to anyone who actually played the game in full. He failed to even go through the lore that talks so much about dragon age. Combat was thrilling is you role play in hard.

[Mortallica]

people who have seen his video will know why he gave it a 3, he didn't like absolutely nothing about the game, in his personal opinion he hated the combat, he hated that he couldn't control the companions, he didn't like the narrative of the game nor the companions, nor the few role-playing options.

So, if you don't like anything about the game, what score are you going to give it?

As someone who doesn't like action games and preferred the combat of the previous games I would also give it a 3 or 4.

Those who like the combat will give it a 7-8.

[Mewsha]

Originally posted by Mortallica:

people who have seen his video will know why he gave it a 3, he didn't like absolutely nothing about the game, in his personal opinion he hated the combat, he hated that he couldn't control the companions, he didn't like the narrative of the game nor the companions, nor the few role-playing options.

So, if you don't like anything about the game, what score are you going to give it?

As someone who doesn't like action games and preferred the combat of the previous games I would also give it a 3 or 4.

Those who like the combat will give it a 7-8.

Disliking a game doesn't automatically make it bad, and if you're going to brand yourself as a critic you need to be able to discern between a bad game, and a game that you just personally find no enjoyment from.

If you can't do that, then why would anybody view you as a serious source worth listening to above others? I can't use the word for what I'd call people that listen to that kind of review because y'all reported me last time I said it, so we'll just say fans.

Yeah, if you're a fan of the guy and generally agree with him sure. That's fine. Telling us that he's a source worth listening to when he gave Fallout 76 the same score on release is just not realistic no matter how many awards are given out lmao.

Personally, I didn't like this game as a DA game, but thought it was fine otherwise. I'd like them to go in a completely different direction, but I don't see that happening when all of our criticism gets swept away by grifters and sensationalism which is why I find it kind of annoying as someone who has been playing this series since 2009.

Apparently this is also the same dude that gave The Last Jedi a 7/10, until everyone said they hated it and then he quickly changed his tune. Team sports is stupid. Stop playing into it.

[Mortallica]

Originally posted by Mewsha:

Originally posted by Mortallica:

people who have seen his video will know why he gave it a 3, he didn't like absolutely nothing about the game, in his personal opinion he hated the combat, he hated that he couldn't control the companions, he didn't like the narrative of the game nor the companions, nor the few role-playing options.

So, if you don't like anything about the game, what score are you going to give it?

As someone who doesn't like action games and preferred the combat of the previous games I would also give it a 3 or 4.

Those who like the combat will give it a 7-8.

Disliking a game doesn't automatically make it bad, and if you're going to brand yourself as a critic you need to be able to discern between a bad game, and a game that you just personally find no enjoyment from.

If you can't do that, then why would anybody view you as a serious source worth listening to above others? I can't use the word for what I'd call people that listen to that kind of review because y'all reported me last time I said it, so we'll just say fans.

Yeah, if you're a fan of the guy and generally agree with him sure. That's fine. Telling us that he's a source worth listening to when he gave Fallout 76 the same score on release is just not realistic no matter how many awards are given out lmao.

Personally, I didn't like this game as a DA game, but thought it was fine otherwise. I'd like them to go in a completely different direction, but I don't see that happening when all of our criticism gets swept away by grifters and sensationalism which is why I find it kind of annoying as someone who has been playing this series since 2009.

This is also the same dude that gave The Last Jedi a 7/10, until everyone said they hated it and then he quickly changed his tune. Team sports is stupid. Stop playing into it.

that depends on what your definition of bad game is, if you think only buggy games are bad that's another matter.

I think the problem would be that something unplayable like fallout 76 on its release should have been given a 0 instead of a 3, but he'll know why he gave it that.

a game that for you has a bad story, bad gameplay and has little or nothing redeemable is bad for you regardless of whether or not it has bugs.

the gameplay can be subjective but it is not the first person who has complained about how repetitive the gameplay is, how useless the companions are, that the enemies are damage sponges, etc.

but anyway as I said if for you the game has nothing good then it's bad for you, at the end of all the criticisms are just that opinions, no reason to say it's good is bad for me, but I give it a 7 because there are people who may like it.

[Mewsha]

Originally posted by Mortallica:

Originally posted by Mewsha:

Disliking a game doesn't automatically make it bad, and if you're going to brand yourself as a critic you need to be able to discern between a bad game, and a game that you just personally find no enjoyment from.

If you can't do that, then why would anybody view you as a serious source worth listening to above others? I can't use the word for what I'd call people that listen to that kind of review because y'all reported me last time I said it, so we'll just say fans.

Yeah, if you're a fan of the guy and generally agree with him sure. That's fine. Telling us that he's a source worth listening to when he gave Fallout 76 the same score on release is just not realistic no matter how many awards are given out lmao.

Personally, I didn't like this game as a DA game, but thought it was fine otherwise. I'd like them to go in a completely different direction, but I don't see that happening when all of our criticism gets swept away by grifters and sensationalism which is why I find it kind of annoying as someone who has been playing this series since 2009.

This is also the same dude that gave The Last Jedi a 7/10, until everyone said they hated it and then he quickly changed his tune. Team sports is stupid. Stop playing into it.

that depends on what your definition of bad game is, if you think only buggy games are bad that's another matter.

I think the problem would be that something unplayable like fallout 76 on its release should have been given a 0 instead of a 3, but he'll know why he gave it that.

a game that for you has a bad story, bad gameplay and has little or nothing redeemable is bad for you regardless of whether or not it has bugs.

the gameplay can be subjective but it is not the first person who has complained about how repetitive the gameplay is, how useless the companions are, that the enemies are damage sponges, etc.

but anyway as I said if for you the game has nothing good then it's bad for you, at the end of all the criticisms are just that opinions, no reason to say it's good is bad for me, but I give it a 7 because there are people who may like it.

He's not, but there are also hundreds of build videos countering that exact point. If enemies are damage sponges, then you're building incorrectly.

It's like that with most action games that allow you to pick a class. You can look up any build video for the game, for which there are many, which shows you that they're not spongey when you know how to build a character. That's almost entirely where the RPG element of this game lies.

Would someone rather the game hold your hand and tell them that they can't do something until they have the proper gear and abilities unlocked? I think this game does enough hand holding and could do with much less.

Companions similarly are not useless in your build, and people that say that are just proving that they don't understand how the game's combat works because the detonate feature is a huge factor in your build, and they also carry various buffs and boons with them.

So if you dislike how companions are implemented in this game, that's one thing and a valid critique, but useless? I don't think so.

If someone doesn't understand how to build a character in this game, then they don't care and didn't try. And if they don't know that's also an opinion I'm not going to put a lot of weight on because they don't understand the damage system or the mechanics of the game.

I firmly believe that people should say what they mean these days. Some people believe his review is valid because anti-woke. Begins and ends there.

Trying to explain away the inconsistencies in his review record isn't going to convince anyone. I respect people who are at least up front about that. Saying that he's some nuanced reviewer who gave the game a fair shot just doesn't really add up based on the evidence.

[VoiD]

It's not worth that much

[ShimazakiD]

As many said, many don´t care what a youtuber says but, apart from that, he is freaking rigth, he even show writers errors when they forgot to call Tash as they, and the woman call it by her, that is BAD WRITING AT ITS FINEST!, the game is trash all over it, but even the developers know that, they are the ones who care less about it, Now!, to ruin the mass effect franchise with cap sheppad, defending pronouns across the galaxy!

[Ceredh]

As one of the self-appointed "influencers" of today one should try to be objective (in the narrow margin humans can) and not mainly judging from "liking it". For me games like GTA, the Dark Souls, the Red Dead Redemptions, Cyberpunk 2077 etc. are 3/10 or less because I don't like them. But I would not publish a review for other players with such an assessment. While I'm not the biggest fan of Veilguard, it's definitely more than 3/10.

[Punished Jeremy]

Originally posted by Fitness Lauch:

While I do think that the game has it's flaws (quite a lot actually :p) I'm still enjoying it a lot. My main criticsm boils down to bad dialogues

I think most people's main criticism boils down to the writing, especially the dialogue. The thing is, for a game like this, thats going to be a deal breaker for a lot of people. That is why people are giving it 3/10. They would rather put up with weaker gameplay. A good story is more important. Its the most important to a lot of people

Originally posted by Fitness Lauch:

You can counter that review with the recommendation from the Larian CEO who is actually a dev by himself and earns his money by creating games instead of earning his money by mocking developers for not liking their work.

I dont really understand why people make this fallacious comparison. The whole "if you dont like it, make your own game" shtick. Thats what you are implying by saying that a game dev would be in a better position to be critical of a game than some guys who's made being critical of games a career. Say what you want about angryjoe's takes (he's kind of a safe normie), but we at least know about the rest of his takes and can track how sane they are. Even if he's wrong we can swap him out for a variety of more credible review Youtubers who also trashed the game. Nobody knows how this larian dev feels about other games or what they look for when they enjoying playing games. People like you dont even care that the endorsement this dev gave was as broad as it was. Propping it up is desperate

[Punished Jeremy]

Originally posted by cherub5667:

I give this game 6/10..but it's definitly not a 3/10 or what IGN gave which was a 9/10.

Thats probably the more objective score. The other two can be explained by what you expect going into this game. If you expect the good writing of its predecessors, its horrible. If you take the game for what its trying to be, its pretty good.