Disappointed world building

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Im so disappointed with this game, the maps are just puzzles, you can explore and everything but the world is just puzzles and more puzzles. The story is not great, gameplay get monotonous. If BioWare fail with the next mass effect game… this is a good bye for them.

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Just to make it clear, for other players it's great exploration changing from boredom open world arena you only rush through. See players requesting simpler and more flat gameplay is annoying.

[kaffeend]

Originally posted by Shiemend:

Just to make it clear, for other players it's great exploration changing from boredom open world arena you only rush through. See players requesting simpler and more flat gameplay is annoying.

Actually, op is right. The maps are just twisting corridors whose sole design is to slow the player down, making the areas feel bigger than they actually are. So often you have to solve some bs (albeit easy) "puzzle" which leads to a previously unreachable point, and when you get there your reward is a small chest containing some wood and cloth.

[Xazomn]

It felt for me like an online game doing puzzle for loot boxes. This is more an platform game to me. I didn't had any feeling of "exploring" because most boxes were clearly to see hidden behind a "puzzle" or a see through wall that even an child can do. Not like stuck in the fade kind of puzzle like in DAO. No it is filled now with simple puzzle. And if maybe looks big, it gets quikly boring running around , climb and jump just for only some upgrades for weapons or armor that i never use.

[AS9ARDIAN]

Sometimes It seems like at Bioware they are not happy unless they put in the game something tedius to do.

However, (not sure if you unlocked other areas yet) it's really like that only in the Arlathan forest to be honest, or maybe in some parts of the Necropolis too where you have to use the wisps. And mostly if you go for the (optional) chests in the open areas, definitely less of a thing during main or companion's missions.

Personally I think that you should judge world building\ level design once you unlocked the whole map, once you do that they are actually quite enjoyable imho.

Originally posted by Termix:

I've seen Captchas that require more thinking than most puzzles in Veilguard.

If you consider environmental puzzles puzzels yes, but I also think that it would be interesting to see what % of players solved The Warden Vault Quest or The Treasure of Sharksmouth Mountain.

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That's ridiculous, Captchas aren't any puzzling.

That's another comment confusing simple puzzling as puzzles when they are just actions mood variations so it's not just spring and jump.

It's more a lost of opportunity but then a game with constant true puzzling for any exploration would be trash for a RPG.

The point is DAV has still more good puzzling than most RPG, even after have removed all cases that are simple actions.

Moreover no way a RPG as BG3 is better on that, typical is the temple of shaar which is just a weak design because too much filled with only puzzling, without mention most have crap hints.

Pretty sure a wide majority of player find the temple of Shaar very annoying at least at replay. Larian was better for RPG puzzling in DOS1.

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A part of sanitized aspects of Northen Thedas is explained, read better because clearly you failed notice and had a quite bad reading understanding or attention level:
- Neve explains Southern always been in opposition with Northern and then describe them as a caricature, no it's not just mages with slaves. All you quoted is coming from southern propaganda, it's your bad reading that led you to wrong comments on writing quality.
- Neve or some NPC explain that parts around the docks are anti slave, it's poor parts of the town, and it's not representing the whole town.
- Antiva always been deeply anti Tevinter and anti slavery.
- Rivain & Anderfels are no Tenvinter and more just wild areas.
- Nevarra is no Tevinter and a very special country without mention we saw not much more than the Grand Necropolis.

Moreover, it's explained that:
- Northern hasn't any Chantry like in south, north has different gods believing. It's not explained why there's a Chantry building in the town, but the point remains.
- Northern consider blood magic illegal and dangerous, but doesn't share at all of the fuss done around it by Southern. Moreover the Southern deeply evolved around it, only players glued to DAO failed quote it.
- Qunari aren't at war with Tevinter currently, they recently exploded, again your bad reading leading you to wrong comments on writing quality.

It's fine everybody has his opinions, but people that want comment the writing quality could put more effort in reading.

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Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Funny you mention Crows being anti slavery when Zevran from Origins clearly states that he was bought by them as a slave and forced to undergo torture that many other children died to. But yeah, I’m sure he was just a Fereldan nationalist spouting lies.

You only prove my point, Zevran was no more slave after, he even quoted it himself. And bound to Crows is no slavery, more a mafia like aspect from not being able leave Crows and still no slave at all.

[Xazomn]

Originally posted by Shiemend:

Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Funny you mention Crows being anti slavery when Zevran from Origins clearly states that he was bought by them as a slave and forced to undergo torture that many other children died to. But yeah, I’m sure he was just a Fereldan nationalist spouting lies.

You only prove my point, Zevran was no more slave after, he even quoted it himself. And bound to Crows is no slavery, more a mafia like aspect from not being able leave Crows and still no slave at all.

He was no slave, but come one. The Crows are not the Crows. They are thiefs and killers and now they are "the five"? And Issabella is mother Theresa in DAV while she did three and even a possibility a 4 some with ya together with Sevran. I know everyone can change. But it isn't the real world, it is a fictional game and they removed all tthe things that made DA a DA game. Characters doesn't need to change into something they clearly are not in the other DA games

[76561199802160085]

Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Originally posted by Shiemend:

You only prove my point, Zevran was no more slave after, he even quoted it himself. And bound to Crows is no slavery, more a mafia like aspect from not being able leave Crows and still no slave at all.

We’ll just ignore the child torture and assassination bits and treat them as heroes now. Alright.

Lol, it's still no slavery. But I admit that despite I replayed all DA very recently I forgot or didn't noticed properly this aspect of Zevran story, could be because I always disliked this companion, hence ignored a bit his whining.

Even in DAO it's clearly explained that Antivan survive as an independent nation thanks to crows. And conclude from Zevran story a whole nation is pure evil is basic.

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Originally posted by Xazomn:

Originally posted by Shiemend:

You only prove my point, Zevran was no more slave after, he even quoted it himself. And bound to Crows is no slavery, more a mafia like aspect from not being able leave Crows and still no slave at all.

He was no slave, but come one. The Crows are not the Crows. They are thiefs and killers and now they are "the five"?

Even in DAO it's clearly explained that Antivan survive as an independent nation thanks to crows. And conclude from Zevran story a whole nation is pure evil is basic.

Originally posted by Xazomn:

And Issabella is mother Theresa in DAV while she did three and even a possibility in a 4 some with ya together with Sevran. I know everyone can change.

About change, first time you met Isabella before she can be a companion is before Hawke ascension, if I remember well. Then there's 5 years before next chapter. Then about 2/3 years before DAI, Trepasser is 3 years after DAI and DAV 10 more years after. So Isabella is 21 years older than first time you meet her.

Isabella was clearly less mature and was clearly searching her path. She can betray Hawke but was was highly focus on good thing too as help slaves.

So yeah Isabela becoming more mature in DAV makes sense.

In DAV she is no mother Theresa, she gave up her focus on helping people, she became a leader of Dragon's of fortune, so focused on gold and wealth, not only an opposite of mother Theresa, even leaving a path more focus on good.

That she isn't as much aggressive in her talk is 100% fine with an Isabella quite older and that became a leader.

Originally posted by Xazomn:

But it isn't the real world, it is a fictional game and they removed all tthe things that made DA a DA game. Characters doesn't need to change into something they clearly are not in the other DA games

Even if this is right, it's fully credible anyway and solid writing, no way bad writing, only good writing with excess of auto censoring.

If you can't enjoy any story without realistic very evil tendency, I'm sorry for you. Not a good writing choice, but still a good writing.

[Xazomn]

@ Shiemend> 'If you can't enjoy any story without realistic very evil tendency, I'm sorry for you. Not a good writing choice, but still a good writing'.

a story without betrayal, lies, hatred, jealousy, disgust within a group or factions and the only one that is bad is the one you fight against is a bad written story. That is a fairy tale. All those things you dislike, makes a story good and far more intresting.

[Mortallica]

yes the nation that had slavers in the south in the previous games, where in DAO they set up a whole operation to enslave hundreds of elves, and their leader in exchange for leaving him alive offered us a blood magic ritual.

Yes, that was nothing more and nothing less than Fereldan propaganda.

just take a look at the veilguard art book tevinter was going to be full of slaves, even sex slaves were in the art book, they ended up sanitizing everything at some point in the development.

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Originally posted by Xazomn:

@ Shiemend> 'If you can't enjoy any story without realistic very evil tendency, I'm sorry for you. Not a good writing choice, but still a good writing'.

a story without betrayal, lies, hatred, jealousy, disgust within a group or factions and the only one that is bad is the one you fight against is a bad written story. That is a fairy tale. All those things you dislike, makes a story good and far more intresting.

I never said I dislike stories with evil sutff, and find funny you tag Taash or Solas as fairy tale, you need improve your reading skills.

[Xazomn]

Originally posted by Shiemend:

Originally posted by Xazomn:

@ Shiemend> 'If you can't enjoy any story without realistic very evil tendency, I'm sorry for you. Not a good writing choice, but still a good writing'.

a story without betrayal, lies, hatred, jealousy, disgust within a group or factions and the only one that is bad is the one you fight against is a bad written story. That is a fairy tale. All those things you dislike, makes a story good and far more intresting.

I never said I dislike stories with evil sutff, and find funny you tag Taash or Solas as fairy tale, you need improve your reading skills.

Insult others is the only way to do for the most people when they don't hear what they like to hear. I don't care, and yes even Solas & Taash are written poorly, my opinion & has nothing to do with reading skills.

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Originally posted by Mortallica:

yes the nation that had slavers in the south in the previous games, where in DAO they set up a whole operation to enslave hundreds of elves, and their leader in exchange for leaving him alive offered us a blood magic ritual.

Yes, that was nothing more and nothing less than Fereldan propaganda.

just take a look at the veilguard art book tevinter was going to be full of slaves, even sex slaves were in the art book, they ended up sanitizing everything at some point in the development.

It's still explained that Tevinvter isn't a nation of mages and slaves, facepalm for finding this simplistic view credible.

And that areas around the docks are poor and quite different on that matter.

Anyway there's also a slaves quest in DAV, if not two, one related to Solas.

Even if I don't deny the excess of auto censoring that is apparent.