Spirit of Benevolence... Really ? [SPOILER]

[pythonfp]

After doing every quests to get the best ending, I have mixed feelings concerning Mythal.

If I understood right :


- A spirit of benevolence curious about the mortal realm stole the blood of titans to materialize itself with its merry band.
- Unsurprisingly, titans did not took well having their vital ressources stolen by invaders and waged war.
- Spirits now elves decided to separate titans from their dreams to render them comatose and win the war.
- Titan dreams without psyche turn incontrollable and become the Blight, an unstoppable corrupting force.
- Some elves called evanuris are so smart they consider the blight a proper ressource to gain power and kill naysayers (like mythal).
- Solas is forced to create an improvised prison filled to the brim with the rampant blight by binding the evanuris to a veil that fragments the fade shambling the livelihood of his fellow spirits.
- The prison is so ill conceived it leaks enough for evanuris to corrupt the mind of mages all around thedas through their blighted minions, the archdemons, causing an unending cycle of calamities.

With all these statements, should I conclude that Mythal was the greatest blemish that ever appeared on Thedas ? :/

[MightyJean]

I feel like the last point is incorrect. The prison didn't leak per se, Fen'Harel was stupid and ignorant : he never bonded with a dragon for moral reasons so he didn't know how profound the link between his peers and their dragons was and thus didn't see the point of locking them up too. That's how the Evanuris kept contact with the physical world and tempted the magisters, through their archdemons. That single mistake caused the Blights, and with each Blight an archdemon died... seemingly taking its bonded elven god to the grave as well, which led to the Veil weakening since it was tied to the Evanuris' lifeforce.

[Xan84]

She took a rock, a rock that yes, was the blood of titans in a form. Its nothing bad up to this point. Yeah, the Titans did not like the continous exploitation following this event and created a war.
Then Mytral as well as Solas decided to do what they did, both knew how bad it will be. So you can safely blame both.
The Gods corrupted the mages since Solas did not realize the dragons are a link between the Gods and the mortal world, then they went to the Black Citadel and released some of the blight.

Originally posted by MightyJean:

I feel like the last point is incorrect. The prison didn't leak per se, Fen'Harel was stupid and ignorant : he never bonded with a dragon for moral reasons so he didn't know how profound the link between his peers and their dragons was and thus didn't see the point of locking them up too. That's how the Evanuris kept contact with the physical world and tempted the magisters, through their archdemons. That single mistake caused the Blights, and with each Blight an archdemon died... seemingly taking its bonded elven god to the grave as well, which led to the Veil weakening since it was tied to the Evanuris' lifeforce.

Yeah, it was tied to their life force but 1 'God" should be enough to hold the veil up, Solas does it at the end. Also if a dragon dies, the god does not die, we have 2 clear examples of that in game, both gods did not die when the dragon died.

[MightyJean]

Originally posted by Xan84:

Also if a dragon dies, the god does not die, we have 2 clear examples of that in game, both gods did not die when the dragon died.

They didn't die because they got their souls back, rendering them mortal once more. The other were trapped in the Fade, behind the Veil, when their archdemon died. Their soul merely switched to another vessel when the archdemon wasn't killed by a Warden but if a Warden landed the killing blow both the ancient god's soul and the Warden were destroyed. It's likely the god died after that (we know they're all dead).

That didn't happen twice. First if the Warden in Origins performed the ritual with Morrigan, the soul instead goes into the child conceived the night before the battle (which is then taken by Mythal in Inquisition), and second with Davrin, the soul got back to its owner, Ghilan'nain.

[Xan84]

Originally posted by MightyJean:

Originally posted by Xan84:

Also if a dragon dies, the god does not die, we have 2 clear examples of that in game, both gods did not die when the dragon died.

They didn't die because they got their souls back, rendering them mortal once more. The other were trapped in the Fade, behind the Veil, when their archdemon died. Their soul merely switched to another vessel when the archdemon wasn't killed by a Warden but if a Warden landed the killing blow both the ancient god's soul and the Warden were destroyed. It's likely the god died after that (we know they're all dead).

That didn't happen twice. First if the Warden in Origins performed the ritual with Morrigan, the soul instead goes into the child conceived the night before the battle (which is then taken by Mythal in Inquisition), and second with Davrin, the soul got back to its owner, Ghilan'nain.

Did not think of that, makes sense.

[pythonfp]

Originally posted by MightyJean:

They didn't die because they got their souls back, rendering them mortal once more. The other were trapped in the Fade, behind the Veil, when their archdemon died. Their soul merely switched to another vessel when the archdemon wasn't killed by a Warden but if a Warden landed the killing blow both the ancient god's soul and the Warden were destroyed. It's likely the god died after that (we know they're all dead).

That didn't happen twice. First if the Warden in Origins performed the ritual with Morrigan, the soul instead goes into the child conceived the night before the battle (which is then taken by Mythal in Inquisition), and second with Davrin, the soul got back to its owner, Ghilan'nain.

Thanks ! That explains why there was only 2 evanuris escaping the veil and confirms the events of veilguard are definitely "the Blight that ends all Blights".
If there is a sequel, the evanuris are now totally out of the picture.

[Xan84]

Originally posted by pythonfp:

Originally posted by MightyJean:

They didn't die because they got their souls back, rendering them mortal once more. The other were trapped in the Fade, behind the Veil, when their archdemon died. Their soul merely switched to another vessel when the archdemon wasn't killed by a Warden but if a Warden landed the killing blow both the ancient god's soul and the Warden were destroyed. It's likely the god died after that (we know they're all dead).

That didn't happen twice. First if the Warden in Origins performed the ritual with Morrigan, the soul instead goes into the child conceived the night before the battle (which is then taken by Mythal in Inquisition), and second with Davrin, the soul got back to its owner, Ghilan'nain.

Thanks ! That explains why there was only 2 evanuris escaping the veil and confirms the events of veilguard are definitely "the Blight that ends all Blights".
If there is a sequel, the evanuris are now totally out of the picture.

We still have more gods, the forgotten ones right? We find one in the companion quest with the elf girl.
its also questionable if we really killed the gods.. I mean Mythal is the perfect example of this, its really hard to completely kill one of them spirits. They tend to go back to the void and reform to some degree, this is also supported by that Formless One was it? The one who we killed and will be back?
I do wonder if we will be getting more DA games after this and if we will see the gods again in some fashion.

[kaffeend]

Yeah, the Forgotten Ones are still trapped in the Fade. Also, the Evanuris were keeping the Veil intact with their life forces (only one is needed, hence why we couldn't kill Solas), but now Solas is all that's keeping the rest of the Blight (Taint) from being unleashed upon Thedas. I dare say it will likely be the goal of the Forgotten Ones to kill Solas, bring down the Veil and unleash the Devouring Storm that is the "Blight" upon the world and its inhabitants.

[Xan84]

Originally posted by kaffeend:

Yeah, the Forgotten Ones are still trapped in the Fade. Also, the Evanuris were keeping the Veil intact with their life forces (only one is needed, hence why we couldn't kill Solas), but now Solas is all that's keeping the rest of the Blight (Taint) from being unleashed upon Thedas. I dare say it will likely be the goal of the Forgotten Ones to kill Solas, bring down the Veil and unleash the Devouring Storm that is the "Blight" upon the world and its inhabitants.

Depends on how dumb the forgotten ones are I would say, nobody that is not out of their mind would want to rule a world devasted by the blight.
I remember its said that the blight has change, something else is wispering trough it. We could very well get the blight itself as an enemy as well as whatever those misterious individuals where that you talk to when you collect the circles and get the secret ending.

[kaffeend]

Originally posted by Xan84:

We could very well get the blight itself as an enemy as well as whatever those misterious individuals where that you talk to when you collect the circles and get the secret ending.

I'm pretty sure those voices are the Forgotten Ones.

[Xan84]

Originally posted by kaffeend:

Originally posted by Xan84:

We could very well get the blight itself as an enemy as well as whatever those misterious individuals where that you talk to when you collect the circles and get the secret ending.

I'm pretty sure those voices are the Forgotten Ones.

Unless they are also blighted I don't see how. The only one we've seen does not seem to be blighted and the ones who tempered with the blight where the evanuris and only them from what I got.

[Portico]

Before Solas inadvertedly created the veil, the blight was already free to be exploited by the evanuris. So I doubt it's that bad to begin with.

[Xan84]

Originally posted by Portico:

Before Solas inadvertedly created the veil, the blight was already free to be exploited by the evanuris. So I doubt it's that bad to begin with.

The blight was sealed away and the evanuris were braking the seal and using just some of it. If all of it gets out, its really, really bad.

[Portico]

Originally posted by Xan84:

Originally posted by Portico:

Before Solas inadvertedly created the veil, the blight was already free to be exploited by the evanuris. So I doubt it's that bad to begin with.

The blight was sealed away and the evanuris were braking the seal and using just some of it. If all of it gets out, its really, really bad.

Ah, yeah. Forgot about the black city.

[Etragorn]

My biggest problem with it is that they used the wrong adjective. She should have been a Spirit of Beneficence, not Benevolence. She worked with Elgar'nan to try and support the Elven people, her only interest was in doing what was best for her people. That is an act of Beneficence, not Benevolence.

[Xan84]

Originally posted by Etragorn:

My biggest problem with it is that they used the wrong adjective. She should have been a Spirit of Beneficence, not Benevolence. She worked with Elgar'nan to try and support the Elven people, her only interest was in doing what was best for her people. That is an act of Beneficence, not Benevolence.

If I am not missing something, spirits are about feelings, not actions.