*End Game Spoiler* Choosing the Leader.

[udienowz3]

Alright ♥♥♥♥ this mission why give me only two options for Davrin and Harding for leading this and then make one of them have the most avoidable and forced death i have ever seen just to make a point about mental health awareness and accepting death. i chose davrin to be the leader and his death scene was horrible. why the hell would you just stand behind her doing ♥♥♥♥ all and watching while the ASSASSIN does a full frontal attack on a literal god. then when she is on full ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ alert attack her then get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and die have your body thrown into a pit of blight then on top of that for no reason at all asaan just dives in after a pause killing itself regardless if youve completely finished their questlines and made them a hero of the veilguard. if someone has to do die fine, but why does asaan kill himself after Davrin dies. he could have gone with your character (especially if you are a grey warden even if you let the others stay in arlaathen) or joined his family. It literally all could have been avoided if Davrin/Harding just attacked to draw attention away from lucanis and it would have worked. worst character death ever ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Naamtar]

Surprised you were able to get so attached to either of the characters. I barely had a reaction to what was very obviously going to happen when they had you pick one.

[Raz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von vallixas:

It's not pointless at all. The whole lore behind griffons and why wardens use them is that they're loyal. You think the griffon is cute and assumed it was an extended pet to Rook, but no, they are loyal to those who raise them. Davrin is pretty much assan's dad and the game treats him that way. They told you the whole game that griffons used to fight with wardens like they were one, which is exactly what Assan does, his abilities are literally apart of Davrin's toolset. So he would have gone to the ends of thedas with Davrin no matter what. He literally turned away from his brothers and sisters to be with Davrin. That's the one thing that made sense out of that BS death choice was that the griffin was loyal to the end.

Loyal doesn't equate to committing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ suicide, especially for an adolescent creature. Asaan's abilities being a core to Davrin is not the same as Davrin and the Gryphon being some kind of physical link (ya know, like the Blight and Archdemons). Gryphons were used by Wardens due to Gryphons being immune to the Blight. There wouldn't be some physical connection, so the bird yeeting itself makes no sense.

It could have went to another Warden who'd have to earn its trust and work through the boys lose, but just going, NOOOO DAVRIN *follows suit to die* is just nonsense. Loyalty doesn't just outta nowhere override untold millennia of evolutionary instinct that says do whatever it takes to survive, definitely not in an animal.

[udienowz3]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kaffeend:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von udienowz3:

Alright to everyone that has not gotten to the end and you are on this thread I'm assuming your good with spoilers so here it is.
End game you get to choose between Davrin and Harding to lead your team whoever you choose no matter what will die. Davrin to me makes the most sense since Harding now has Dwarf magic and is connected to the titans while Davrin already tried to die when killing the archdemon prior but lived and wasn't ok with that. Griffins are taken care of and living either with the wardens or in the forest. Losing Harding is a much bigger issue overall than Davrin. You also get a choice to have either Neve or Bellara undo some wards. Whoever you choose gets taken and blighted. The only way they can live is by making them hero of the veilguard status and finishing their companion quests.
My issue is the death scene of either Davrin or Harding is so avoidable and forced it's insane.

Man, watching that scene was painful. The whole time I thought, Davrin will feint by making himself the obvious target so that Lucanis can sneak attack her from behind. It seemed obvious to me. Davrin could still have died, but at least his sacrifice would have meant something. The way it is, it was a stupid and avoidable death that had no benefit. And Lucanis did exactly what he tried and failed to do already, and exactly the same thing happened (caught in midair). Dumb.

exactly just a horrible death scene

[Shad]

Weeke's is what John Dombrow was to Andromeda; both really suck at writing.

[udienowz3]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von vallixas:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von J. G. Gregory:

Agreed that it is probably one of the worst written moments in the entire game... Which, considering how bad the rest of the writing is, that's saying a lot. Not only does it have zero effect on the games outcome or the team in general. BUT Assan committing suicide was just plain unnecessary. Worst character ending Bioware could have possibly come up with... All for some BS social commentary...

It's not pointless at all. The whole lore behind griffons and why wardens use them is that they're loyal. You think the griffon is cute and assumed it was an extended pet to Rook, but no, they are loyal to those who raise them. Davrin is pretty much assan's dad and the game treats him that way. They told you the whole game that griffons used to fight with wardens like they were one, which is exactly what Assan does, his abilities are literally apart of Davrin's toolset. So he would have gone to the ends of thedas with Davrin no matter what. He literally turned away from his brothers and sisters to be with Davrin. That's the one thing that made sense out of that BS death choice was that the griffin was loyal to the end.

Anyway. Harding is the obvious choice, she fell to her death once before and was saved. She's the one with that weird ass plot armor magic so if anyone is going to turn up alive from that it's her. She's also the only one where if you go back to her room after that scene Rook says "if you're out there somewhere we'll find you". So it's atleast hinting at by choosing Harding she might just end up alive. Because why would devs just put that dialogue in there for no reason.

all fair points, i just dont like how theres a good amount of pause between davrin getting thrown into pool of blight and assan diving in after him that it felt like it was added in as an after thought. that and that whole scene was just terrible.

[udienowz3]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Raz:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von vallixas:

It's not pointless at all. The whole lore behind griffons and why wardens use them is that they're loyal. You think the griffon is cute and assumed it was an extended pet to Rook, but no, they are loyal to those who raise them. Davrin is pretty much assan's dad and the game treats him that way. They told you the whole game that griffons used to fight with wardens like they were one, which is exactly what Assan does, his abilities are literally apart of Davrin's toolset. So he would have gone to the ends of thedas with Davrin no matter what. He literally turned away from his brothers and sisters to be with Davrin. That's the one thing that made sense out of that BS death choice was that the griffin was loyal to the end.

Loyal doesn't equate to committing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ suicide, especially for an adolescent creature. Asaan's abilities being a core to Davrin is not the same as Davrin and the Gryphon being some kind of physical link (ya know, like the Blight and Archdemons). Gryphons were used by Wardens due to Gryphons being immune to the Blight. There wouldn't be some physical connection, so the bird yeeting itself makes no sense.

It could have went to another Warden who'd have to earn its trust and work through the boys lose, but just going, NOOOO DAVRIN *follows suit to die* is just nonsense. Loyalty doesn't just outta nowhere override untold millennia of evolutionary instinct that says do whatever it takes to survive, definitely not in an animal.

see thats kinda where i stand, but thats more of bad writing for this. i kinda like that persons version even if i dont 100% enjoy it

[spartanberdi]

I just got the Platinum trophy and came here to say, even though I found the game amazing, Assan’s death was absolute bulljive and it served no purpose in the story.

[udienowz3]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von spartanberdi:

I just got the Platinum trophy and came here to say, even though I found the game amazing, Assan’s death was absolute bulljive and it served no purpose in the story.

i think the combat, and skill tree is great. story had some interesting lore drops, but everything in that game story wise was not great. it had the worst story out of all the Dragon Age games.

[KinNiku]

I don't know why Darvin survived Weisshaupt's battle with the archdemon in the first place.
I also didn't understand the scene where Solas defeats the archdemon.
Was the Grey Warden's sacrifice no longer necessary?

[kaffeend]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KinNiku:

I don't know why Darvin survived Weisshaupt's battle with the archdemon in the first place.
I also didn't understand the scene where Solas defeats the archdemon.
Was the Grey Warden's sacrifice no longer necessary?

The essence of the archdemon jumped into whats-her-name. Normally it would be transferred into the Grey warden, but the gods being so powerful probably made it go to her instead. Solas, idk honestly.