I Finally Agree About Taash.

[DaisyRay]

My last post got deleted for spam, so I'll do my best to express my opinion again, but shorter and without spoilers.

I am not almost fifty hours into the game and I've seen a lot more of Taash's story. I agree.

While Taash has grown on me and I still love this game overall, I have to agree that her backstory was a bit much. While I don't mind since I'm a member of the LGBTQ+, I do think that a video game was an odd place to discuss these topics. Especially since the rest of the game and companions fit into the world more, they're all about magic, darkspawn, etc. Then Taash is....Taash. It just feels out of place in this world.

I still like the game though and I like Taash, but I can understand why some people might not feel comfortable with this game. HOWEVER, all of those parts are completely avoidable. So you can still enjoy the game and just not focus on her storyline. Anywho, that's all.

[LeithLion]

Taash is my favorite character easily. I think that one scene was awkward in that they made a big deal about it, but everyone else just gets treated normally. I guess I wish that one part was written a little differently.

[Sgt. Flaw]

For people who's saying "it's not that bad"

How ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bad does it need to be? Lol

I've seen numerous clips of pro-trans clips and clips that had nothing to do with it....they were both awful...the trans topic NEEDS skilled writers or it really comes off extra cringe. It just looks like the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ writers tried writing upon something sensitive and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it all up.

After school special 2024 here

[Grumpy]

It's a problem to me because i'm a completionist. I can't stand a quest unfinished, i want the content.

[Otterley]

Origineel geplaatst door Cin-Cin:

As someone who is LGBT, I hate Taash tbh. Her personality sucks. Her story would have been nice if it was written better with a companion who isn't a big angsty teenager in a "Rated M" game. And her romance is cringe AS HELL. She makes us look bad tbh.

I'm gay and don't really care for her story. It felt out of place and cringey. And the writing is terrible. But maybe for other people, it works and that's great.

So while I agree with OP, fully. What I fail to understand is why people are so bent out of shape about it. Some people, and probably just a few loud snowflakes.

There is so much bad video game writing out there, it's not like this is noteworthy, other than it's about a trans person. Trans Qunari, I guess. It's just weird and feels forced.

[Otterley]

Origineel geplaatst door Sgt. Flaw:

For people who's saying "it's not that bad"

How ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bad does it need to be? Lol

I've seen numerous clips of pro-trans clips and clips that had nothing to do with it....they were both awful...the trans topic NEEDS skilled writers or it really comes off extra cringe. It just looks like the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ writers tried writing upon something sensitive and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it all up.

After school special 2024 here

LOL ... yeah, after school special is dead on.

[َ]

I don't care if they added stuff relating to lgbtq in most any game, but the approach they did in including that in this game is just bad – it's either forced or feel as if forced to the player, whether or not the player chooses to be non-binary or not.

The use of the word "non-binary" itself and asking for the right pronouns (though this isn't specifically mentioned) just doesn't sound appropriate from the time-setting of the game and overall lore.

I love this franchise and I love this current title. But it seems like they're trying to make the modern and real-world issue to a game set in presumably ancient and fantastical times. Take Dorian Pavus from DAI, for instance. I like his character. He's gay but it's presented as simply accepted by most, if not all, as if it's simply a trivial matter that doesn't have to be talked about as much... or at all.

[Ghost Bear]

I think what grinds most people is the fact that writers nowadays treat their audiences like little kids. Introducing "current events" of their respective time into stories is nothing new, it has been done for centuries, but the reason it works in beloved franchises like the X-Men of old is because writers didn't smack you in the face with the message they intended to deliver, but rather showed situations that paralleled what they wanted to tell in open ways, that could be interpreted and applied to many different groups and situations. Take the messages that early the X-Men comics used to tell in their golden days, and they can be applied to any day and age, It allowed the audience to reach their own conclusions on the subject rather than outright telling you THIS BEHAVIOR BAD! YOU BAD PERSON IF YOU DO THIS!

The X-men in their time had clear parallels to Martin Luther King and Malcom X in the characters of Charles Xavier and Magneto. The X-Men themselves being a parallel for the struggles of the African American community of their time. By making them something new, and different and not being completely upfront however, any group facing similar struggles could find something to identify within them, black people, gay people, even nerds! The message became universal and it drew people to them.

Modern day writing often struggles with achieving this. The message being sent is often direct, and to the point. It becomes too specific to the point it often insults the intelligence of the consumer. And that is the reason I believe it does not resonate in the way that the writers and supporters wish that it did with as many people as they wish.

[TheLegendOfMylos]

Origineel geplaatst door DaisyRay:

all of those parts are completely avoidable. So you can still enjoy the game and just not focus on her storyline. Anywho, that's all.

and miss out on the "good" ending that is locked behind finishing Taash's quest.

[max]

Origineel geplaatst door Otterley:

So while I agree with OP, fully. What I fail to understand is why people are so bent out of shape about it. Some people, and probably just a few loud snowflakes.

Oh, it's the internet that brings the best out of people.

[[SiN]Rabbit]

Origineel geplaatst door DaisyRay:

Origineel geplaatst door Superchimp:

Going through the entire companion story's to get the veilguard skill, Taash really didn't need to be about modern day identity politics.

The story could have easily been about choosing the qun or not, and it could still been about identity but with nuances and nods rather than really bad writing with in your face.

The is the problem with activist writers, they don't know how to actually make a good story that has different nuanced elements, it has to be in your face as they don't have the mental capacity to look at things grey, it's like a cult, your either with them or against them. It's destroying society, both sides.

That's another thing. It kind of just comes out of nowhere. There is no build up to it and it feels so out of place. I'm not mad that this is their story or anything, I just found it odd. Sometimes when they were speaking about it, (I hate to say this) but it didn't sound believable or realistic. Though I can't say I know how a realistic conversation like that would go, so I guess I'm just talking out my rear.

I still like Taash though. No hate to them.

Because that's how Taash is. They're blunt, they're direct.

The story IS about choosing the qun, or not, but that is the subtle part.

[Kevin]

Origineel geplaatst door Damedius:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL4k6B_E5ds
The problem with Taash is the same problem with the writing in the rest of the game. It's just bad and you can't avoid it. I'm not sure if the writer's were incompetent, or maybe lazy and had ChatGPT write it.

ChatGPT would do leaps better than whoever wrote this, go use 4o or 4o mini and ask it for a story of a sequel for Dragon Age and it makes a much better story imo ;)

[DaylightDemon]

"oooh noooo how can they talk about human social issues in my video game made by humans for humans featuring a story thats supposed to be relatable and inclusive for any kind of person"

if for some reason this wholesome game about the magic of friendship offends you that sais more about you than anybody or anything else. growing up with videogames (particularely jrpgs) they where a huge part of my moral compass growing up. its nothing new that developers include commentary about social, philosophical or psychological issues. if the style of the games writing is not your cup of tea, fine. that can happen. i think its alright, it doesnt take itself too seriously and fits nicely with the lighthearted artstyle and action heavy combat. this game is like a casual dnd campaign: absolutely definitely woke and not to be taken that seriously.

[DaisyRay]

I wasn't expecting all of these replies and I'm too lazy to reply to each one.

However, I think we can all agree that they could have either written Taash and their story better or just made something that fits better with the game. I agree with a lot of you even though I myself am a member of LGBTQ+. All their scenes just really took me out of the game for a bit, I assumed it was because it just didn't fit, but it might also be the writing. Someone mentioned Krem, Sera, and Dorian. All of them were done so well, especially when you compare them to Taash.

I guess I just really love BioWare and their games, so I have a hard time being critical without also mentioning the good things and the fact that it's avoidable. I do think they dropped the ball when it came to Taash, but I think the character grows on you. I hope they will take the feedback from this game while they work on the next Mass Effect.

[Khergit Horse Archer]

yall need to calm down on taash because i do agree it doesn't belong in some games like dragon age but we will be seeing more and more of this probably for a decade, id get my pillows and get comfy if i were u lol

[DaisyRay]

Origineel geplaatst door Stańczyk:

I don't care if they added stuff relating to lgbtq in most any game, but the approach they did in including that in this game is just bad – it's either forced or feel as if forced to the player, whether or not the player chooses to be non-binary or not.

The use of the word "non-binary" itself and asking for the right pronouns (though this isn't specifically mentioned) just doesn't sound appropriate from the time-setting of the game and overall lore.

I love this franchise and I love this current title. But it seems like they're trying to make the modern and real-world issue to a game set in presumably ancient and fantastical times. Take Dorian Pavus from DAI, for instance. I like his character. He's gay but it's presented as simply accepted by most, if not all, as if it's simply a trivial matter that doesn't have to be talked about as much... or at all.

I wanted to mention this because I liked what you said.

Dragon Age has long been using their platform to highlight real world things, it's just in the past the writing was better. I don't want to list off the things because I don't know if any of those words will get me banned or something, but I think long time players know a few of them.

They were really good at using their game as a way to denounce certain things in rl, but cleverly writing it to not feel like you got slapped in the face with their lesson. I don't know. I still like the game itself, but I agree with a lot of you.