What happened to slavery in-game?

[Vagabond]

I really wonder if there is any lore justification for the fact that the game does not really mention slavery? Although the same Tevinter is a center for the slave trade. The same question about elfinage, which clearly could (and should) be an important part of the plot related to the ELVEN gods and the theme of the freedom of this race.

[skullymex]

It's not as present as I would like, but it's definetly mentioned. You meet one when you recruit Emmrich, for example.

[iTemperence]

Well, the Shadow Dragons are specifically fighting that kind of thing, but in general I agree that the earlier entries had very dark themes and we get none of it here. It's all surface level, and not very well thought out.

[Bouncy Boner Forest]

only women that enslave men. soon.

[Gloomseeker]

Originally posted by Авантюрист:

I really wonder if there is any lore justification for the fact that the game does not really mention slavery? Although the same Tevinter is a center for the slave trade. The same question about elfinage, which clearly could (and should) be an important part of the plot related to the ELVEN gods and the theme of the freedom of this race.

You haven't been paying attention. Replay the prologue. There is a faction that is all about fighting slavery.

[Jeffer'son Airship]

Originally posted by iTemperence:

Well, the Shadow Dragons are specifically fighting that kind of thing, but in general I agree that the earlier entries had very dark themes and we get none of it here. It's all surface level, and not very well thought out.

Apparently this one gets darker later on but it definitely seems to take its time from what I've seen on streams.

[Vagabond]

Originally posted by Gloomseeker:

Originally posted by Авантюрист:

I really wonder if there is any lore justification for the fact that the game does not really mention slavery? Although the same Tevinter is a center for the slave trade. The same question about elfinage, which clearly could (and should) be an important part of the plot related to the ELVEN gods and the theme of the freedom of this race.

You haven't been paying attention. Replay the prologue. There is a faction that is all about fighting slavery.

They are fighting it behind the scenes, though I recall that the slavery theme as a whole thing was extremely important for the lore. And that was important even back when games took place, not in the literal center of slavery (Tevinter). And another important thing that's missing is elven slave districts and their reaction to the return of their gods.

[V.V.]

Fenris was a tevinter magister's slave... wonder why he didn't make the cut. Honestly though, low-key happy he didn't.

[Vagabond]

Originally posted by skullymex:

It's not as present as I would like, but it's definetly mentioned. You meet one when you recruit Emmrich, for example.

Yeah, I probably phrased it badly. There are definitely mentions, but this whole theme seems to me to be one of extreme importance for the lore, but playing the game makes me feel like writers try to ignore it on purpose.

[skullymex]

Originally posted by Авантюрист:

Originally posted by skullymex:

It's not as present as I would like, but it's definetly mentioned. You meet one when you recruit Emmrich, for example.

Yeah, I probably phrased it badly. There are definitely mentions, but this whole theme seems to me to be one of extreme importance for the lore, but playing the game makes me feel like writers try to ignore it on purpose.

Yeah I agree with you, I would've liked to see it explored more especially in connection with the Shadow Dragons.

[Bravo]

Originally posted by Авантюрист:

Originally posted by Gloomseeker:

You haven't been paying attention. Replay the prologue. There is a faction that is all about fighting slavery.

They are fighting it behind the scenes, though I recall that the slavery theme as a whole thing was extremely important for the lore. And that was important even back when games took place, not in the literal center of slavery (Tevinter). And another important thing that's missing is elven slave districts and their reaction to the return of their gods.

There's also some barely mentioned lore in the game which implies Tevinter basically partially reformed in the interrim between DA:I and Veilguard (which is mostly due to effects from DA2 and Inquisitor where Tevinter's most powerful slave movements get mauled trying to fight Hawke/Inquisitor).

It's not particularly clearly explained, but it is raised a couple of times in dialogue. It's also very wishy washy, I don't know why they didn't just do the obvious thing of have Tevinter be recovering from a civil war with a partial improvement of slavery conditions if they wanted to do it as they did, but hey, what do I know.

[Bravo]

Originally posted by Авантюрист:

Originally posted by skullymex:

It's not as present as I would like, but it's definetly mentioned. You meet one when you recruit Emmrich, for example.

Yeah, I probably phrased it badly. There are definitely mentions, but this whole theme seems to me to be one of extreme importance for the lore, but playing the game makes me feel like writers try to ignore it on purpose.

I agree with that yep, I find it bizarre that they go to such excessive effort to avoid discussing what could have been interesting components - AND it doesn't even need to go against their lighter tones - Rook could smash some remnants of the old slave trade for a side story, defend an elfanage (spelling? lol) from a Venatori attack, etc... without needing to break from the current tone of the story. Hell, with how heroic Rook is objectively meant to be, it would be ENTIRELY within the character to do exactly this.

[TaliHazard]

What happens in Tevinter stays in Tevinter

[skullymex]

Originally posted by Bravo:

Originally posted by Авантюрист:

They are fighting it behind the scenes, though I recall that the slavery theme as a whole thing was extremely important for the lore. And that was important even back when games took place, not in the literal center of slavery (Tevinter). And another important thing that's missing is elven slave districts and their reaction to the return of their gods.

There's also some barely mentioned lore in the game which implies Tevinter basically partially reformed in the interrim between DA:I and Veilguard (which is mostly due to effects from DA2 and Inquisitor where Tevinter's most powerful slave movements get mauled trying to fight Hawke/Inquisitor).

It's not particularly clearly explained, but it is raised a couple of times in dialogue. It's also very wishy washy, I don't know why they didn't just do the obvious thing of have Tevinter be recovering from a civil war with a partial improvement of slavery conditions if they wanted to do it as they did, but hey, what do I know.

Interesting, do you have anything concrete on that? I played through the game and all I got in that vein was Dorian and Mae leading a political party that advocated for abolishing slavery, which ended with Mae being stripped of her Magister status.

[Vagabond]

Originally posted by Bravo:

Originally posted by Авантюрист:

They are fighting it behind the scenes, though I recall that the slavery theme as a whole thing was extremely important for the lore. And that was important even back when games took place, not in the literal center of slavery (Tevinter). And another important thing that's missing is elven slave districts and their reaction to the return of their gods.

There's also some barely mentioned lore in the game which implies Tevinter basically partially reformed in the interrim between DA:I and Veilguard (which is mostly due to effects from DA2 and Inquisitor where Tevinter's most powerful slave movements get mauled trying to fight Hawke/Inquisitor).

It's not particularly clearly explained, but it is raised a couple of times in dialogue. It's also very wishy washy, I don't know why they didn't just do the obvious thing of have Tevinter be recovering from a civil war with a partial improvement of slavery conditions if they wanted to do it as they did, but hey, what do I know.

Thank you for explaining this lore moments. That was a part of some headcanon I had, but I really wish writers would care more about the theme that was crucial in previous games

[skullymex]

Originally posted by Bravo:

Originally posted by Авантюрист:

Yeah, I probably phrased it badly. There are definitely mentions, but this whole theme seems to me to be one of extreme importance for the lore, but playing the game makes me feel like writers try to ignore it on purpose.

I agree with that yep, I find it bizarre that they go to such excessive effort to avoid discussing what could have been interesting components - AND it doesn't even need to go against their lighter tones - Rook could smash some remnants of the old slave trade for a side story, defend an elfanage (spelling? lol) from a Venatori attack, etc... without needing to break from the current tone of the story. Hell, with how heroic Rook is objectively meant to be, it would be ENTIRELY within the character to do exactly this.

Yeah that would've been great! It's a real missed opportunity for sure.