So uh... What happened to the Qun Society and elves/mages being mistreated?

[Dark Pretender]

I am genuinely curious, these guys were so hateable (I liked to hate them) in the early iterations but now they are, different?, being a good word; without it having a negative connotation.

And that leads me into the elves and the mages, why are they not mistreated anymore?, in the old games they were severely mistreated, which is one of the reasons why most of my characters was always a supporter of them, I am not saying descrimination is a good thing, IRL, but in a game its a good plot device to use to garner investment and sentiment from the player that is playing the game, its by no means acceptable in the real world, but no one is playing a game because they want a mirror to the real world, right?

I honestly have no idea if I am alone in this sentiment, but it doesn't feel like dragon age at all to me, it feels like it was written by someone that writes fanfiction, not that, that is a bad thing at all, all the power to you!, I just miss many things from the old games, I also heard that there is no more blood mages in the game?, or atleast, that you cant play as a blood mage.

Thoughts?

[skullymex]

Mage mistreatment is mostly a thing of the South. Northern Thedas is a lot different in that regard, Tevinter is even governed by mages. I do think it's a missed opportunity to not show the oppression of elves more, especially in Tevinter, though it is mentioned here or there.
The saarebas I'm not sure, but I assume there aren't many among the antaam.

[Dark Pretender]

Originally posted by skullymex:

Mage mistreatment is mostly a thing of the South. Northern Thedas is a lot different in that regard, Tevinter is even governed by mages. I do think it's a missed opportunity to not show the oppression of elves more, especially in Tevinter, though it is mentioned here or there.
The saarebas I'm not sure, but I assume there aren't many among the antaam.

That is true, the mages are in charge in Tevinter, thank you for clarifying, I do not remember why I had completely lost that memory in my brain! :D

[suprpiwi]

elves/mages being mistreated?... your name applies i guess. no clue about lore do you. in the mage tower in da origins intro you need to prove you won't be possessed by a demon, and in another origin story the mistrust the daelish have for humans is also present. did you even play any of them lmao

[Dark Pretender]

Originally posted by suprpiwi:

elves/mages being mistreated?... your name applies i guess. no clue about lore do you. in the mage tower in da origins intro you need to prove you won't be possessed by a demon, and in another origin story the mistrust the daelish have for humans is also present. did you even play any of them lmao

Elves and Mages are two pretty common entities being mistreated in Origins, dragon age 2 and a slight amount in Inquisition, the whole hiding Ameridan was a human instead of an elf, is a pretty good example, I have no idea why you are attacking me based on my name, but whatever.

[Hatman]

Originally posted by Dark Pretender:

I am genuinely curious, these guys were so hateable (I liked to hate them) in the early iterations but now they are, different?, being a good word; without it having a negative connotation.

The Qunari you see in Veilguard are a different, military qunari faction called antaam. This is explained during the game when you play it.

[Dark Pretender]

Originally posted by Hatman:

Originally posted by Dark Pretender:

I am genuinely curious, these guys were so hateable (I liked to hate them) in the early iterations but now they are, different?, being a good word; without it having a negative connotation.

The Qunari you see in Veilguard are a different, military qunari faction called antaam. This is explained during the game when you play it.

Thank you for clarifying this, I have as most people would probably guess, not bought the game, I have only seen other people play the game one of my friends streamed the game while she played it, so I just had these questions in my mind as I watched :)

[Overlord1993]

Originally posted by suprpiwi:

elves/mages being mistreated?... your name applies i guess. no clue about lore do you. in the mage tower in da origins intro you need to prove you won't be possessed by a demon, and in another origin story the mistrust the daelish have for humans is also present. did you even play any of them lmao

The criticism about the mistreatment of elves etc. being gone is about this game in particular. Maybe try to read the OP before attacking people based on their usernames.

[Overlord1993]

Originally posted by Tijger:

Originally posted by Dark Pretender:

That is true, the mages are in charge in Tevinter, thank you for clarifying, I do not remember why I had completely lost that memory in my brain! :D

The Qun had a civil war, pretty much, its explained in the game.

You do have a point about the elves which is a bit of a weird situations in DAV since Dalish elves exist and feature in the game at some point and you see elves in the cities but you dont see them as a seperate entity the way they were in previous games
Having said that, this might also have been a Southern Thedas thing but it could have been clarified better.

Elves being mistreated is pretty much a universal thing in Dragon Age, at least when it comes to humans. The Tevinter Imperium in particular keep elves as slaves ever since the war that destroyed the elven empire.

[Dark Pretender]

Originally posted by Tijger:

Originally posted by Dark Pretender:

That is true, the mages are in charge in Tevinter, thank you for clarifying, I do not remember why I had completely lost that memory in my brain! :D

The Qun had a civil war, pretty much, its explained in the game.

You do have a point about the elves which is a bit of a weird situations in DAV since Dalish elves exist and feature in the game at some point and you see elves in the cities but you dont see them as a seperate entity the way they were in previous games
Having said that, this might also have been a Southern Thedas thing but it could have been clarified better.

Ah yes, I was just sure, that surely the mistreatment of elves would be at its peak in Tevinter, the society that is the biggest on slavery (Correct me if I am wrong here! please!), I do remember that elves were mistreated throughout the first and second game, while you found elves severely mistreated in that masquerade questline in inquisition, sorry I forgot the name, where you help or prevent the coup d'tetat, I remember they were mistreated there too, it might just be a southern thing, but I do not know :)

[Overlord1993]

Originally posted by Dark Pretender:

Originally posted by Tijger:

The Qun had a civil war, pretty much, its explained in the game.

You do have a point about the elves which is a bit of a weird situations in DAV since Dalish elves exist and feature in the game at some point and you see elves in the cities but you dont see them as a seperate entity the way they were in previous games
Having said that, this might also have been a Southern Thedas thing but it could have been clarified better.

Ah yes, I was just sure, that surely the mistreatment of elves would be at its peak in Tevinter, the society that is the biggest on slavery (Correct me if I am wrong here! please!), I do remember that elves were mistreated throughout the first and second game, while you found elves severely mistreated in that masquerade questline in inquisition, sorry I forgot the name, where you help or prevent the coup d'tetat, I remember they were mistreated there too, it might just be a southern thing, but I do not know :)

Yeah, elves are generally treated as second class citizens across all the human empires/kingdoms. The Tevinter Imperium in particular keep a lot of slaves, and a lot of those are elves.

[Dark Pretender]

Originally posted by Overlord1993:

Originally posted by Dark Pretender:

Ah yes, I was just sure, that surely the mistreatment of elves would be at its peak in Tevinter, the society that is the biggest on slavery (Correct me if I am wrong here! please!), I do remember that elves were mistreated throughout the first and second game, while you found elves severely mistreated in that masquerade questline in inquisition, sorry I forgot the name, where you help or prevent the coup d'tetat, I remember they were mistreated there too, it might just be a southern thing, but I do not know :)

Yeah, elves are generally treated as second class citizens across all the human empires/kingdoms. The Tevinter Imperium in particular keep a lot of slaves, and a lot of those are elves.

I thought so!, I wasn't just misremembering things, I wonder what happened to all that, I honestly liked it as a plot hook, especially helping the elves and even still they distrusted my character for being a human for example, until he went above and beyond for them, it was an investment to prove you were on their side.

[StimJunky]

I loved the way that mages were represented in Origins. Given the fact that in most fantasy games people who have the ability to wield incredible destructive force are typically considered nothing out of the ordinary the way Origins did it was unique and refreshing. I also like the concept of there being a risk of being possessed by a fade demon while using magic. It made magic users motives varied and nuanced.

Similarly, elves being the downtrodden race was also an interesting divergence from typical fantasy tropes. Usually it's the dwarves that are the fallen from grace and prejudiced race. Flipping the script like that was a breath of fresh air.

Also retconning blood magic to be only something evil antagonist use is a really dumb decision on BioWare's part as it takes away from the player the most interesting and unique aspect of magic in the setting.

Origins just had so many layers to it. They dealt with bigotry and prejudice with far more grace and nuance than current day BioWare and their clumsy and amateurish writing.

[Overlord1993]

Originally posted by Dark Pretender:

Originally posted by Overlord1993:

Yeah, elves are generally treated as second class citizens across all the human empires/kingdoms. The Tevinter Imperium in particular keep a lot of slaves, and a lot of those are elves.

I thought so!, I wasn't just misremembering things, I wonder what happened to all that, I honestly liked it as a plot hook, especially helping the elves and even still they distrusted my character for being a human for example, until he went above and beyond for them, it was an investment to prove you were on their side.

Yeah, I loved that about Origins, but unfortunately I feel like they've been removing more and more of what made Dragon Age what it was with each game. There's really no tough decisions to make etc. anymore. Especially if you want to play more of an evil character, I've not seen anything even remotely close to the things we could do in the first game in any of the sequels.

[Dark Pretender]

Originally posted by StimJunky:

I loved the way that mages were represented in Origins. Given the fact that in most fantasy games people who have the ability to wield incredible destructive force are typically considered nothing out of the ordinary the way Origins did it was unique and refreshing. I also like the concept of there being a risk of being possessed by a fade demon while using magic. It made magic users motives varied and nuanced.

Similarly, elves being the downtrodden race was also an interesting divergence from typical fantasy tropes. Usually it's the dwarves that are the fallen from grace and prejudiced race. Flipping the script like that was a breath of fresh air.

Also retconning blood magic to be only something evil antagonist use is a really dumb decision on BioWare's part as it takes away from the player the most interesting and unique aspect of magic in the setting.

Origins just had so many layers to it. They dealt with bigotry and prejudice with far more grace and nuance than current day BioWare and their clumsy and amateurish writing.

Honestly the mages werent really super "Mistreated." but they were feared and with good reasons because many mages, let the power go to their head, but they still was kinda mistreated for the actions of a few of them.

The elves likewise also treated like ♥♥♥♥, even if you played a Dalish elf, you were mistreated in human towns, honestly, it just made me want to stand up for them in both their case and the mages case.

I understand that blood magic was viewed as evil, but honestly, my Hawke was one because I loved the whole aspect of it being used for good.

[Overlord1993]

Originally posted by StimJunky:

I loved the way that mages were represented in Origins. Given the fact that in most fantasy games people who have the ability to wield incredible destructive force are typically considered nothing out of the ordinary the way Origins did it was unique and refreshing. I also like the concept of there being a risk of being possessed by a fade demon while using magic. It made magic users motives varied and nuanced.

Similarly, elves being the downtrodden race was also an interesting divergence from typical fantasy tropes. Usually it's the dwarves that are the fallen from grace and prejudiced race. Flipping the script like that was a breath of fresh air.

Also retconning blood magic to be only something evil antagonist use is a really dumb decision on BioWare's part as it takes away from the player the most interesting and unique aspect of magic in the setting.

Origins just had so many layers to it. They dealt with bigotry and prejudice with far more grace and nuance than current day BioWare and their clumsy and amateurish writing.

I completely agree with you. I've become quite disillusioned with Bioware in the last 10 or so years. They're really not the same. :/