A point about Shale

[Sir_Blaze]

Since a lot of people are bringing up Shale 'the most beloved tank and pigeon masacreist of them all' Shale went by the She/Her pronouns, she was not non binary, she didn't feel like she wasn't a woman and so became a golem , At best whilst she was a golem she was asexual and called people flesh things and it because she thought she was superior ( she also for a a time forgot her past and only remembered the last 30 years.

Now then back 1000 years ago there was this thing that was happening it was the first blightwar, and well everyone was getting a bit trounced, the dwarves in their enginuity worked out a way to put dwarvish souls into animated rock bodies aka Golems i believe ( i could be wrong here) the first ones were prisoners forcibly conscripted to this thing due to the control rods being able to stop them from acting against their makers, but soon enough they asked for volunteers and also went on a forcable conscripting spree to attempt to hold back the tide
( not to sure here but i do think there was a vague promise of returning them to their original bodies after the war ) but i think they got over run so was naer an actual option.
Spoiler alert but the game is old enough now

in the good ending Shale goes of with a companion and gets put into a dwarvern females body, and there be legends of a dwarven woman slaying pigeons with impunity she more than likely had the choice of bodies, there were also interactions during the game where she says i like prettty things and do you think this makes me look big, and happily replies when the PC answers it looks slimming.

[Sir_Blaze]

oh Shale was my Bae too and i just loved her hating on pigeons cos i could totally empethise with it and yeah i used to change her crystals a lot just for the dialog then give her what i thought was the best ones again. But so many are trying to make her into a Nonbinary cos you know rocks dun have a sex :|

[Elvi]

It seems completely unrelated to the gender stuff.

If we had the technology and I grab you on your way to work tommorow, rip your head off and instal it into a self-driving taxi (which, now you are the permanent driver of, the car being your body) and you now non-binary asexual, since you are a car with human psyche?

It's kind of a weird hypothethical and it's weird trying to push modern gender rules on it, hah.

[Sir_Blaze]

Originally posted by Elvi:

It seems completely unrelated to the gender stuff.

If we had the technology and I grab you on your way to work tommorow, rip your head off and instal it into a self-driving taxi (which, now you are the permanent driver of, the car being your body) and you now non-binary asexual, since you are a car with human psyche?

It's kind of a weird hypothethical and it's weird trying to push modern gender rules on it, hah.

if you did that i'd be telling you to call me male, and trying to get back in to a male body, I'd probably still keep my sexuality too, though after 1000 years and a temporary amnesia i may think sexuality is a bit of non issue as i'll think of me being a taxi but this will only ever be a hyperthetical think tank

[Sir_Blaze]

Originally posted by Godd Made Me Starfield:

Shale wasnt non binary idiot, stop grasping at straws for your mental illness, she was a female dwarf who was turned into a golem.

i know i've seen several try bringing up that she was so figured i'd try to cut off the next attempt.

[Elvi]

Originally posted by Sir_Blaze:

Originally posted by Elvi:

It seems completely unrelated to the gender stuff.

If we had the technology and I grab you on your way to work tommorow, rip your head off and instal it into a self-driving taxi (which, now you are the permanent driver of, the car being your body) and you now non-binary asexual, since you are a car with human psyche?

It's kind of a weird hypothethical and it's weird trying to push modern gender rules on it, hah.

if you did that i'd be telling you to call me male, and trying to get back in to a male body, I'd probably still keep my sexuality too, though after 1000 years and a temporary amnesia i may think sexuality is a bit of non issue as i'll think of me being a taxi but this will only ever be a hyperthetical think tank

I was about to say, after a 1000 years of driving around and a century or two in a garage, you might not be quite so well defined.

And this is pretty much Shale. It's not gender identity or sexuality. It's just time, Calling Shale non-binary asexual is the same as calling 90 years old married couple with 3 kids non-binary asexual, simply because they physically can's and maybe don't even remember they ever wanted to.

[Sir_Blaze]

Originally posted by Elvi:

Originally posted by Sir_Blaze:

if you did that i'd be telling you to call me male, and trying to get back in to a male body, I'd probably still keep my sexuality too, though after 1000 years and a temporary amnesia i may think sexuality is a bit of non issue as i'll think of me being a taxi but this will only ever be a hyperthetical think tank

I was about to say, after a 1000 years of driving around and a century or two in a garage, you might not be quite so well defined.

And this is pretty much Shale. It's not gender identity or sexuality. It's just time, Calling Shale non-binary asexual is the same as calling 90 years old married couple with 3 kids non-binary asexual, simply because they physically can's and maybe don't even remember they ever wanted to.

i wasn't calling shall non binary hence i refered to her pronouns of She Her, and said at best you might get away with asexual I probably should of expanded with' but we don't know if thats because she's resigned to not being able to be so or if she's genuinly not interested in romantic encounters as she doesn't express anything 1 way or tother.'

the point of this post was to let people know shales history as some were saying she chose to become a golem because she didn't want to be a female any more rather than they were at war and she either volunteered to fight the blightspawn in a superior fighting body or was conscripted to do so.

[Elvi]

Originally posted by Sir_Blaze:

Originally posted by Elvi:

I was about to say, after a 1000 years of driving around and a century or two in a garage, you might not be quite so well defined.

And this is pretty much Shale. It's not gender identity or sexuality. It's just time, Calling Shale non-binary asexual is the same as calling 90 years old married couple with 3 kids non-binary asexual, simply because they physically can's and maybe don't even remember they ever wanted to.

i wasn't calling shall non binary hence i refered to her pronouns of She Her, and said at best you might get away with asexual I probably should of expanded with' but we don't know if thats because she's resigned to not being able to be so or if she's genuinly not interested in romantic encounters as she doesn't express anything 1 way or tother.'

the point of this post was to let people know shales history as some were saying she chose to become a golem because she didn't want to be a female any more rather than they were at war and she either volunteered to fight the blightspawn in a superior fighting body or was conscripted to do so.

Honestly, I think even asexual is completely wrong. Asexuality is having no desire to, not bening physically unable to have sex. The result is the same, true, but there is a difference.
Similar to having a gun but not wanting to shoot anyoneone, versus not shooting someone, because you don't have a gun.

Tho I think most of my confusion comes from the qaudruple (?) negative in your text "she was not non binary she didn't feel like she wasn't a woman" as it's a little hard to decipher the true meaning.

But if you mean that Shale a bad example to use, then I agree, And I'm not sure why Shale was brought up as non-binary either, because she really has little to do with all this, it's simply about not being able to have sex or relationships due to, basically, being a piece of animated stone AND loss of memory and possibly many emotions due to being a piece of stone for a millenia.

[Sir_Blaze]

yeah my point was shales a bad example to use ,sorry that i made it hard to decipher, sometime good wordage evades me, and yeah with the asexual i said maybe at a push i'd let someone argue for it and consider the argument because at no point does she show romantic interest in someone and usually derides them for being weak squishy flesh things, I'd be open to that interpretation and argument that she might be or was in someones eyes , but i draw the line at non binary cos like hell naw

[Elvi]

Originally posted by Sir_Blaze:

yeah my point was shales a bad example to use ,sorry that i made it hard to decipher, sometime good wordage evades me, and yeah with the asexual i said maybe at a push i'd let someone argue for it and consider the argument because at no point does she show romantic interest in someone and usually derides them for being weak squishy flesh things, I'd be open to that interpretation and argument that she might be or was in someones eyes , but i draw the line at non binary cos like hell naw

Yeah, sorry, I made it confusing, because I thought you were saying "Even DA:O had non-binary character, like Shale", as that is something I have seen here before.
I swear, these forums gave me brainrot.

But yes, I agree, I guess asexual can be simply used in that way too. But not remembering who or what you are doesn't make you non-binary, it makes you amnesiac or brain-damaged. Which is not a gender yet, I hope.

[[SiN]Rabbit]

Originally posted by Sir_Blaze:

she was not non binary she didn't feel like she wasn't a woman and so became a golem

Shale is trans, confirmed.

[JerBeware]

Originally posted by SiNRabbit:

Originally posted by Sir_Blaze:

she was not non binary she didn't feel like she wasn't a woman and so became a golem

Shale is trans, confirmed.

*shrug* Shale was better written with actual depth and a story that didn't center around familial issues. Shale didn't lock the player out of the best ending if you didn't cater to her every whim. And while Shale may have had some discovery moments, it didn't come across in a way that came at odds with the goal of saving the world.

It's almost like there was a purpose behind Shale rather than a shallow self-insert or pandering. But maybe that's just me.