Inclusive language

[ParabolaWaVe]

For people who aren't native english speakers... how bad is the use of so-called "inclusive language" in Dragon Age Veilguard? I've read at least some reviews in spanish claiming that the game uses the "third gender" or neutral gender a lot, which of course, in the grammar of that language doesn't even exist. Would be nice to confirm those reports, and to know what's happening also with french, german, italian and the other gendered languages.

[['w']]

same procedure like very day

[ParabolaWaVe]

Originally posted by Ultima:

Most of that is relegated to Taash. I put in 20 hours before starting over and at the 20-hour mark again. Most of the game's ideology is passive-aggressive, while the Taash stuff dials it up to 11. So the game only butchers all the gendered languages for only several scenes of dialogue.

Can you reject Taash as a companion, or there's no option for that?

[Zalagath]

Hi, I'm spanish and playing it.

More or less 8 hours in, suddenly npcs appear talking with inclusive language. It takes me out, completely. I know some close people to me don't like this but I try not to use it. Instead I change the wording, if I can use names, I do, if not, I refer to people in any kind of way that "can't trigger them". So, with this said....I've been looking for a way to deactivate it, but I guess i'll witch to full english.

It's not a slang you hear often, not on my streets anyway, so it's super shocking. With this said, It could be that only main missions have this 'feature'.

Nowadays hearing someone talking with thrid gender, still feels absolutely alien. (But of course, my friend circles don't use it except 1 person and a few more out of respect to that one person.)

I'd love an option to change the text translation, not gonna lie. It disrupts my reading and comprehension.

[Zalagath]

Originally posted by Doug Masters:

Originally posted by ParabolaWaVe:

For people who aren't native english speakers... how bad is the use of so-called "inclusive language" in Dragon Age Veilguard? I've read at least some reviews in spanish claiming that the game uses the "third gender" or neutral gender a lot, which of course, in the grammar of that language doesn't even exist. Would be nice to confirm those reports, and to know what's happening also with french, german, italian and the other gendered languages.

The thing is, a little bad writing goes a long way in any medium, but gaming has such "little" amount of writing that a little bit goes a looooooooooooooooong way. Its not even just the use of the language in and of itself, its the use of it being so cheesily and poorly implemented, coupled with the fact that the ideal itself is so obviously and eyerollingly silly.

You hit the nail.
The writing is beyond poor. That's what happens when half the team (maybe more) leaves the project, handing it to people who seemingly do not care about the ones that came before, (I can obviously be wrong about this, but the quality of writing is baaad).

[bibron]

The german translation sounds like it's written by a ♥♥♥♥♥♥.
They use words like hen to descripe people.
That word doesn't even exist in our language.
It's really hard to understand what the ♥♥♥♥ they are trying to say.

Try to google it or find it in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dictionary:
https://www.dwds.de/?q=hen&from=wb
it just doesn't exist.

[Karasel]

Idk, coming from someone who speaks English and Japanese. I don't see the upset. Gender neutral words work pretty easily in English. Gendered pronouns are considered too direct for polite conversation in Japanese, though you can use them with people you know well. Using the person's name, or a gender neutral pronoun has been the standard for alooooong time.

[Baalf]

Originally posted by Effie Love:

If you have to ask if your hatred of specific demographics of people existing will get in the way of your enjoyment then dragon age was never meant for you

People laugh at you, but you're not wrong. Like, the game is trash, don't get me wrong, but characters being trans isn't why it's trash. The gameplay is incredibly linear and repetitive.

[gehenna]

Originally posted by ParabolaWaVe:

Originally posted by Ultima:

Most of that is relegated to Taash. I put in 20 hours before starting over and at the 20-hour mark again. Most of the game's ideology is passive-aggressive, while the Taash stuff dials it up to 11. So the game only butchers all the gendered languages for only several scenes of dialogue.

Can you reject Taash as a companion, or there's no option for that?

Nope, you must recruit all companions

[gehenna]

Originally posted by bibron:

The german translation sounds like it's written by a ♥♥♥♥♥♥.
They use words like hen to descripe people.
That word doesn't even exist in our language.
It's really hard to understand what the ♥♥♥♥ they are trying to say.

Try to google it or find it in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dictionary:
https://www.dwds.de/?q=hen&from=wb
it just doesn't exist.

I suspect it comes from Dutch where "hen" does exist which they try to use for "they/them". But in Dutch it's not even grammatically correct so it's totally jarring. For reference "hen" in Dutch is the dative that you know as "ihnen".

[bibron]

Originally posted by gehenna:

Originally posted by bibron:

The german translation sounds like it's written by a ♥♥♥♥♥♥.
They use words like hen to descripe people.
That word doesn't even exist in our language.
It's really hard to understand what the ♥♥♥♥ they are trying to say.

Try to google it or find it in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dictionary:
https://www.dwds.de/?q=hen&from=wb
it just doesn't exist.

I suspect it comes from Dutch where "hen" does exist which they try to use for "they/them". But in Dutch it's not even grammatically correct so it's totally jarring. For reference "hen" in Dutch is the dative that you know as "ihnen".

Ah okay.
Pretty annoying -.-

[Rotceh07]

Originally posted by Effie Love:

If you have to ask if your hatred of specific demographics of people existing will get in the way of your enjoyment then dragon age was never meant for you

I'm spanish and the problem with inclusive language is that you have to change so many words that it becomes impossible to follow and unnatural. There is no way to speak like that in real life. For example if you want to say:

- "She/He/They is/are a wealthy doctor specialized as a cardiologist"
Femenine: - "Ella es una doctora adinerada especializada como cardióloga"
Masculine: - "Él es un doctor adinerado especializado como cardiólogo"
Non-Binary: - "Elle es une doctore adinerade especializade como cardiólogue."

If I had to pull a Barv for every mistake I can make adressing a non binary person in spanish then at the end of the talking I will be Schwarzenegger.

It isn't a thing of ideology, It is just not happening in real life. There must be a way to adress them but this isn't the way.

[Hobo Jack]

Originally posted by ParabolaWaVe:

For people who aren't native english speakers... how bad is the use of so-called "inclusive language" in Dragon Age Veilguard? I've read at least some reviews in spanish claiming that the game uses the "third gender" or neutral gender a lot, which of course, in the grammar of that language doesn't even exist. Would be nice to confirm those reports, and to know what's happening also with french, german, italian and the other gendered languages.

In French, it's atrocious, hold my baguette !

[Quacksalber]

The German version uses a non standard version of German using a fourth gender which also affects the endings of many words.

I have no idea why they decided to do this, since unless the language is actually officially changed, it will age like milk. It's also super confusing to anyone who's not familiar with it already (I'd wager most people) and probably a nightmare for anyone with learning disabilities.

[cirescythe]

Originally posted by ParabolaWaVe:

For people who aren't native english speakers... how bad is the use of so-called "inclusive language" in Dragon Age Veilguard? I've read at least some reviews in spanish claiming that the game uses the "third gender" or neutral gender a lot, which of course, in the grammar of that language doesn't even exist. Would be nice to confirm those reports, and to know what's happening also with french, german, italian and the other gendered languages.

Its pretty awful in german. Instead of they/them its completely made up stuff. in german there are Er (He), Sie (she) but they call the they/them, Hen. Whatever that is supposed to mean. Its just confusing and stupid.

[WoJo ©]

As a polyglot, I can say it's a disaster. In German, Spanish, Polish (especially Polish) it's just babble; they keep using words that don't exist. I didn't get a chance to hear how it goes in other languages, but I'd assume it's just as bad.