Why I expect the game to be good

[Fomin]

To understand whether a game will be good or not, you basically need look at planning and logistics.

For example take Anthem... please.

That game was started as "Dylan" by someone who had the very idea of making the best game ever (he's no longer at the company) but didn't have any specific ideas beyond having an inflated ego.

An EA executive who wasn't even from Bioware (a guy from DICE who has also left the company) then added the definitely good idea that the game should be a lot like an Iron Man simulator... because he liked Iron Man.

Finally EA corporate had the very good idea that the game should be an always-online, live-service, looter-shooter as was the style at the time.

Thus Bioware was tasked with making a game of a type that they had never made before, with no clear leadership and no real idea of how the basic gameplay would work... or if it could work since giving people flying Iron Man suits which would literally allow them to simply skip most of your level design doesn't really fit with any of the other ideas about how the game should work... Like is this going to be a third-person shooter or an air combat game? This question was never really answered.

Add to this the fact that the devs were having trouble with the engine (they had just switched from Unreal to Frostbite) which was exacerbated by the experimental flight-focused style of gameplay and it's pretty clear that this wasn't going to end well... even if they had some idea of a story which they didn't.

In contrast, Dragon Age Veilguard is a single-player game being made by people who know exactly what they want to do as a direct successor to a game they already made using the same engine that they are already familiar with since it's the same engine they used for Dragon Age Inquisition.

When you consider that they have MORE development time than they did with Inquisition and have an easier time with the development due to using an engine that they already used to make the previous game in the series, it would be almost impossible for this game not to be as good or better than Dragon Age Inquisition.

Don't judge a game by a bad trailer made by people who didn't work on it. Instead look at what the developers are trying to do and what sort of resources they are applying to the task. When you do that, I think it's pretty likely that we can expect a good game.

[Fomin]

Originally posted by juanxlink:

I mean, you have "bragged" about personally knowing the developers...at least we know you do this for free, which is even more concerning but alas...

Wait, was for this title or for flintlock? You have been defending this SBI infection for quite a bit IIRC.

There is literally no connection between this game and SBI... but since you've opened up this can of worms well there's an ACTIVIST group known as "SBI detected".

They gave a NEGATIVE review to Final Fantasy VII remake because they thought it was "censored" (meaning that 13+ rated game didn't have enough adult content.)

They also gave a NEGATIVE review to Dragon Quest Remake because someone believes that the devs "censored" the lips of a troll monster as part of a sinister conspiracy to make said monster look less like a racial caricature.

https://store.steampowered.com/curator/44858017/

The SBI-detected activists are completely [unreasonable] when it comes to looking for excuses to call things "woke". However they DO seem to like microtransactions which is why they gave a POSITIVE review to a F2P girl-collecting game called The First Descendant which is made by a company which was fined by the Korean government for lying about the odds of lootboxes...

So to conclude, as a good honest game without predatory F2P and P2W mechanics, this game will be in the same category as Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, God of War etc. which is to say, the category of REAL GAMES that the pro-microtransaction activists of "SBI detected" hate.

[skullymex]

Originally posted by Noir:

Originally posted by Fomin:

In contrast, Dragon Age Veilguard is a single-player game being made by people who know exactly what they want to do as a direct successor to a game they already made using the same engine that they are already familiar with since it's the same engine they used for Dragon Age Inquisition.

most of the crew has been replaced though. The lead writer for example used to be Gaider, now iut's a non-binary pansexual. They fired over half the OG writing staff mostly those who wrote truly great stories like Origins and ME1. Obviously the artists are different as well seeing how comical the style is. I guess the OST will still be good because Bioware simply has the money to hire good composers.

But you seem to be expecting some sort of polish while they dumbed down the gameplay to be a simplistic ARPG instead of tactical as the series was at some point sort of known for. You're gonna get Dragon Age 2 but with as much diversity checkboxes checked as possible. If you liked DA2, good news for you, if you like good games instead, this isn't looking so hot.

Gaider is gay and is now writing for games I've heard nothing but contempt for from the anti-woke crowd.
Weekes has been with Bioware since 05.
At least do a modicum of googling next time before embarrassing yourself.

[Fomin]

Originally posted by Noir:

But you seem to be expecting some sort of polish while they dumbed down the gameplay to be a simplistic ARPG instead of tactical as the series was at some point sort of known for...

I can't tell you that you are wrong to prefer a certain type of game but I am of the opinion that action RPG's like Mass Effect, The Witcher 3 and THE ENTIRE SOULSLIKE GENRE (soulslikes are basically just difficult action RPGs with better movement and evasion IMHO) are worth playing.

If you prefer turn-based games, that's fine and Baldur's Gate 3 is a great example of that but I've enjoyed Action RPGs ever since Champions of Norrath which I played as a kid.

[Fomin]

Originally posted by Sir Random:

I looked it up for both final fantasy and dragon quest, these are the quotes, i personnaly don't know how true the claims are as i don't own either of these games.

for final fantasy VII

"Square Enix decided that Tifa's breasts were now offensive, and four (4!) years after FF7 Remake’s release, they patched a censored version of her chest into the game.

for dragon quest III

I don't think it's reasonable to give a good game a bad review because they decided to put a skin-tight t-shirt over Tifa's breasts when the game is rated 13+.

I know that "SBI detected" likes thirst-traps, hence the positive review for The First Descendant, but unlike that P2W girl-collecting game, Final Fantasy VII is actually rated as OK for literal CHILDREN.

As for their negative review for Dragon Quest, (which hasn't even come out yet) I am personally not a fan of "Body Type A" stuff as you can see from the screenshots I posted recently celebrating the fact that Dragon Age 2 used the far more useful terms "male" and "female" but that isn't an adequate reason to give a negative review to a game you haven't even tried... even if that were the only beef which it isn't.

"On a much more personal and nerdier level, and this one really pisses me off, I must say, is the censorship of the Troll's lips..."

Yup! These activists hate the game because the troll monster's lips are now more green, matching the rest of his face, and the [unreasonable people] at "SBI detected" see that reduction in lipstick as a sinister plot to make said monster look slightly less like an old racist cartoon...



So yeah, completely [unreasonable] people who literally post negative reviews for kids' games for not being thirsty enough and/or having monsters with the wrong color of lips.

[Fomin]

Originally posted by Fomin:

I can't tell you that you are wrong to prefer a certain type of game but I am of the opinion that action RPG's like Mass Effect, The Witcher 3 and THE ENTIRE SOULSLIKE GENRE (soulslikes are basically just difficult action RPGs with better movement and evasion IMHO) are worth playing.

If you prefer turn-based games, that's fine and Baldur's Gate 3 is a great example of that but I've enjoyed Action RPGs ever since Champions of Norrath which I played as a kid.

Originally posted by Сааребас:

Witcher 3 is/was good but certainly not because of it's gameplay and combat in specific.
All the other elements were done great, so those things matter less, same as with DA2.
DA2 was a bad game, as a game in and of itself, but due to how they handled the story, companions, etc, it was still a great DA game.
Regardless of the fact they had little time, that's a developer/publisher issue pushed down to the consumers.

Whilst using less complex implementation they could indeed have more time to polish other aspects. We'll have to see if that is the case.

I honestly hope so, but I'm wary.
Especially since Dragon Age Absolution (Netflix mini-series) was lacking behind 'Dawn of the Seeker' so badly.

You have every right to be wary. I'm looking forward to this game both because someone I know is working on it and because it is my understanding that this is an earnest attempt to return to Bioware's glory days of making great single-player games.

If you are wary, you won't be disappointed easily so that is a good attitude to have, especially towards something with a large time and money commitment like a video game. (What bothers me is the people who seem like they'll be disappointed if the game is good.)

On a related note, I think this video is good general advice for how to approach buying games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrpxyT6fyUo

[Malkavian]

nice clown award farming post m8

[kinna]

Originally posted by Noir:

Originally posted by Fomin:

I can't tell you that you are wrong to prefer a certain type of game but I am of the opinion that action RPG's like Mass Effect, The Witcher 3 and THE ENTIRE SOULSLIKE GENRE (soulslikes are basically just difficult action RPGs with better movement and evasion IMHO) are worth playing.

If you prefer turn-based games, that's fine and Baldur's Gate 3 is a great example of that but I've enjoyed Action RPGs ever since Champions of Norrath which I played as a kid.

Are you barely literal or something? How do you go from what I've written to this complete nonsense take? I didn't say ARPGs are bad, I said this game has changed from a RTWP system with some roots in D&D into a button mashing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of a simplistic combat system and that change is bad. Not sure how I would spell that out even more clearly to you.

Originally posted by skullymex:

Gaider is gay and is now writing for games I've heard nothing but contempt for from the anti-woke crowd.
Weekes has been with Bioware since 05.
At least do a modicum of googling next time before embarrassing yourself.

Gaider wrote origins and created the entire setting. Him being gay does not matter at all. Whereas Weekes is obviously stuffinf as much lg+ into his work as possible. Just pulling all sorts of lore-non-conforming bs out his ass.
Also, I don't know what games Gaider supposedly writes now that some crowd hates or whatever. The last and only thing I know of he did was Stray Gods which sits at 2000 positive reviews on Steam.

Importantly though: He created the world of Dragon Age and the most beloved characters in it. You know that right? Do you also know he had a 5 game story arc planned and mapped out which was scratched in favour of whatever ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DA4 will be? or did you want to embarass yourself with more 'BuT hE's GaY LOl'?

Weekes has done what exactly since 05 at Bioware though? Did he create and write origins? Nope, he wrote minor stuff for games with established lore and a framework and a senior writer's oversight. maybe take your own advice and use google before you think you have a comeback without any actual background knowledge.

Now before you blow a fuse in your brain, try to understand that while Gaider was the "father" of DA, there were many others who contributed and continue to do so till this day. Mary Kirby, who created a lot of the original lore in DA, worked on this game. Sheryl Chee, who wrote many DA:Os beloved characters still works for Bioware and worked on this game.

And if you think that only the original creators are allowed to contribute to a franchise, I'm glad that you are in no position to affect any decisions.

[Fomin]

Originally posted by Fomin:

I can't tell you that you are wrong to prefer a certain type of game but I am of the opinion that action RPG's like Mass Effect, The Witcher 3 and THE ENTIRE SOULSLIKE GENRE (soulslikes are basically just difficult action RPGs with better movement and evasion IMHO) are worth playing.

If you prefer turn-based games, that's fine and Baldur's Gate 3 is a great example of that but I've enjoyed Action RPGs ever since Champions of Norrath which I played as a kid.

Originally posted by Noir:

Are you barely literal or something?

It's frankly [silly] to attack someone who is trying to be polite with you. It's also kind of [silly] to fail at English while you're trying to insult someone and no, I'm not going to explain what you did wrong because if I help you improve your English, it's clear that you will misuse that knowledge to attack someone else.

Good day sir.

[Fomin]

Originally posted by Nohiro:

Why I do not: Made for modern audiences.

Those are just buzzwords. You haven't actually said anything. If you aren't interested in the game, why are you here?

[SerraShaar]

I don't expect the game to be good.

Because EA is filled with Liars.

A few exemples:

Back during DAI (Before it was released), they were hanging on Twitch and showing teaser of the gameplay.

What nobody knew was that the whole videos were played in a way to make it look like something it isn't. And of course, their greatest offence is: THE LIE.

The Many Many Oh so many Lies. For exemple: Still on Twitch, peoples back then complained that they didn't wanna play a forced 'Herald of Andrasté'. Here come the dev with their answer: Don't worry! Here is a Video to show you that you can turn the Title down. BUT What they never told the viewers and players is that no matter what you say, IT DOESN'T MAtter! Everyone call you the freaking herald of Andrasté either you like it or not.

Another exemple is Mass effect Andromeda, who came out half assed done.

Btw if anyone know who said back on Twitter 'The Banging gonna be good', plz let me know. I have a copy of MEA to shove up his ass.

[SerraShaar]

Originally posted by Ovan:

If long development time was a sign of quality, then Skull&Bones would be the quadruple A game Ubisoft claims it is.

Longer development time means the game was stuck in development hell, with people having no idea what to do of it, restart and scraping tons of content, to be replaced by thing not necessarily better.

You only need to see how the company is doing to have an idea of their next game.
Origins was great.
2 was the best it could be with the 18 months it was given to be made.
Inquisition was a hot mess that they cobbled together at the last minute.
Andromeda was so terrible it put the mass effect franchise in the freezer until people can forget the humiliation that was.
Anthem was a disaster on par with Suicide Squad.

And now veilguard...what do you think it's going to happen?

peoples will buy it and sing a new song of 'Well, its different but I liked it!'. I mean, I hated DAI and my friends did but then again we played the game starting with DAO. Those I knew who praised DAI, started with DAI and Loved it.

[SerraShaar]

Originally posted by Сааребас:

Originally posted by SerraShaar:

peoples will buy it and sing a new song of 'Well, its different but I liked it!'. I mean, I hated DAI and my friends did but then again we played the game starting with DAO. Those I knew who praised DAI, started with DAI and Loved it.

I didn't dislike DAI and I started with DAO, don't even dislike DA2.
Sure DAO was more captivating then the other two.
Then again I play DA games as an interactive novel rather than a game and thus will judge it different then some other players.

I liked DA2 better than any other Dragon Age. DAO crashed a lot for me, and it was due to DirectX 9. And DAI was a dud as far as I'm concerned. Didn't help that during DAI coming out, shortly after The Witcher 3 came out as well. And while I hated the Witcher franchise, the witcher 3 looked and felt like what DAI should've been alas.

But Mass effect Andromeda that was it for me. The clones Asari, the many Glitches, weird animation and the crappiest story ever told. Whole time I kept thinking 'Why does everyone sound like they hate their lives?' and 'Really? We left the Milky way for a weather scrubber??? Can we go back? I'll take my chance with the reapers'.

[Fomin]

Originally posted by Ovan:

Skull&Bones

A live-service Ubisoft game is literally the opposite of the single-player, story-focused game that Bioware is making now. You couldn't have come up with a worse comparison if you had tried.

[Fomin]

Originally posted by Сааребас:

Shame on me but I've only ever started ME but never really got far enough to judge it in any meaningful way.
Witcher 3 however, I really liked, but not because of the gameplay.
Devs, should take notice of quest design though because even the sidequests were so immersive that even getting a pan for an old lady made sense.
That's how you do quests instead of acquire quest, go to location and retrieve item or slay enemy. Witcher 3 was really immersive.

For what it's worth, before playing Mass Effect, my favorite game was Final Fantasy IX. After playing Mass Effect, that game became my favorite and it has stayed my favorite ever since...

But I probably wouldn't have appreciated it if I hadn't finished it. For me what really made the game was the way the story came together at the end.

[SerraShaar]

Originally posted by Сааребас:

Originally posted by SerraShaar:

I liked DA2 better than any other Dragon Age. DAO crashed a lot for me, and it was due to DirectX 9. And DAI was a dud as far as I'm concerned. Didn't help that during DAI coming out, shortly after The Witcher 3 came out as well. And while I hated the Witcher franchise, the witcher 3 looked and felt like what DAI should've been alas.

But Mass effect Andromeda that was it for me. The clones Asari, the many Glitches, weird animation and the crappiest story ever told. Whole time I kept thinking 'Why does everyone sound like they hate their lives?' and 'Really? We left the Milky way for a weather scrubber??? Can we go back? I'll take my chance with the reapers'.

Shame on me but I've only ever started ME but never really got far enough to judge it in any meaningful way.
Witcher 3 however, I really liked, but not because of the gameplay.
Devs, should take notice of quest design though because even the sidequests were so immersive that even getting a pan for an old lady made sense.
That's how you do quests instead of acquire quest, go to location and retrieve item or slay enemy. Witcher 3 was really immersive.

The Trilogy is good. But MAE Isn't part of the Trilogy at all.

Also, they did that!

Yup. Someone just like you said the same thing to them! 'Why don't you do Quest just like in the Witcher 3?? Huh? Those Quests were amazing! Scanning for clues, following footprint'.

Well...Bioware listened. And gave us a crappy (Yes ONE Quest) buggy Quest where you follow footprint in the desert...and it leave you frustrated because the game is buggy like hell.

One thing I learned about EA and BW, is that they have hearing issues. I remember their CEO of EA and said 'After all these years, I still don't know what the fans want'.

You tell them 'We want Qunari that look Badass like the ones in DA2!!'

'Here, humans with HORNS!'

'We want Open World!'

'Here....Empty maps for you to peruse!'

'We want Mount and see our companions on them too!'

'Here! Mount! But your companions dissapear and you lose on the dialogue! But look! MOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!'

'We want to see the Great Qunari Threath invade Thedas! Ferlden! Have a war waged on the continent!'

'Here! A maze, of zig zagging! and you may even lose a companion! But its a dlc...so you gotta poney up for it'.

'We want a story that follow where DA2 left! The fall of the chantry! The bloody war of Traditions against Freedom!'...

'Go to the Hinterland....'

'We want...you know what? Forget it.'

'Picky entitled players, You are never HAPPY!'