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David Gaider said these characters have to come from elsewhere, which is now the crux of the issue considering were talking about Elves who are native to Thedas, like i said this wouldn't be an issue if they were humans or something.
just because you refuse to acknowledge that Dragon Age is built upon real life references doesn't mean your ignorance is my problem. :(
which should beg the question where these characters come from if an "Africa" or an "Asia" doesn't exist all while these Elves resemble those human ethnicity, you can act as if Bellara doesn't look Asian by virtue of "Asia" not existing but to pretend she wasn't designed with an Asian reference in mind is cope on your part. if you can't rationalize why these characters exist beyond "uh, they just do, okay?" then the designs are ultimately arbitrary and retcons of the lore.
The fact that we have seen only little parts of Thedas does nothing to your conviction that everyone must conform to your idea of what different races are allowed to look like and where they can come from. And the fact that the elves have been all over the world of DA in the past, not just Thedas, does nothing because you need them to look a certain way. Only after the Veil did they got stuck on Thedas.
Edit. You see, Thedas is a large place with various climates all wrapped in a neat package. So different looking elves can come from different parts of Thedas easily. The dalish clans especially like to move around.
this lore was established by the previous games as well as all supplementary texts in the form of lore books (World of Thedas volumes) as well as the writers elaborating on how this world came to be, this isn't exactly my invention or my personal interpretation of the lore and how it works, this is just how the lore and world is constructed.
it needs to make sense with the lore, the current writers aren't going to make sense of it without retconning, people in this thread repeatedly saying players ought to just ignore and imagine their own solutions is testament that you all know that the writing makes no sense. *shrug*
with the knowledge that Thedas is in fact Euro-centric it does somehow put it into question where these characters come from; it didn't happen in the past 3 games for the past 15 years (presumably people who worked on the game cared about the integrity of the world they built cause they were still around for Inquisition) so it does beg the question where they came from.
like where? did Elves now also originate from outside Thedas? is Thedas suddenly not the origin point of all Elves as we know it? how convenient that we are now privy to two of these Elves that came from two unnamed mysterious continents that are going to get introduced in Veilguard, at least it makes more sense than them coming from Thedas i suppose!
The lore can be expanded upon. It is hinted that there are many dalish clans and we have seen what, one in DA:O and another in DA2. Also we still have little knowledge of dwarves and their origins. So no, the lore is not as established as you like to think.
Dalish clans that are still native to Thedas, there are no Dalish clans on Par Vollen or any of the other continents; like the ones the Qunari are from.
isn't that i said? that the lore for dwarves isn't established and that because of it we shouldn't conclude they are Thedas natives?
Elven lore is established, what you're suggesting are "lore expansions" (read: retcon) to fit in non-European Elves to appear in Thedas in spite of the lore that we're currently aware of.
Please do not feed your reasonable arguments to the feral trolls. It is bad for their digestion, and results in them leaving vomit and diarrhea all over the forum.
The only filth projected is done by you, who is ruining this intellectual discussion with your crying unable to cope with reason and scholarly knowledge.
What are non-European or European elves? Thedas is not Europe, only the human nations are loosely based on real world nations.
Elven lore has been very ambiguous about the looks, all that has been constant is humanoid race with slender, lithe bodies with pointy ears (and large eyes but this particular thing has hardly been true in any of the games). Other than that skin pigmentations, facial features and accents have varied.
Thedas = Europe, there's a reason why David Gaider said Dragon Age was Euro-centric and why Thedas is a microcosm of these "loosely based real world nations" rather than all the other continents condensed into one.
have they been varied? have the accents included non-Europeans until Veilguard? did we get Elves with monolid eyes until Veilguard? Elves with afro textured hair until Veilguard? to my knowledge Elves ever only had straight hair (which much like their incapability to grow beards you can owe to their genetics, something thankfully not tacked onto Veilguard as well) which includes black elves such as Adaia and Cillian, which unlike Davrin in spite of their black skin aren't designed to be an African allegory.
Most dwarves and city elves and all Qunari have American accents, even though the three groups would have almost no reason to interact historically (except perhaps nothernmost Thedas city elves and Qunari).
Dwarves generally have American accents whether they were born in Orzammar or on the Surface.
But the Dalish Elf clans that we have met so far have had mostly Irish accents, although Merril has a Welsh accent not share by members of her clan. Also why would the city elves lose the Dalish accents, but then adopt a different accent than the humans around them?
Bodahn and Sandal have Estuary English accents (like most Fereldan commoners), even though they come from Orzammar and the Deep Roads, respectively (though presumably Sandal just copies his Da'.
Orlesians have French accents, fair enough.
Antivan accents may be a mash up of Old and New World Spanish accents and maybe Italian accents, which is a lot of different accents to cram into one place.
Nevarran accents were maybe supposed to be German, but Cassandra's voice actress just made something up, and we'll have to see what they do in Veilguard.
Rivaini accents, you would think might tack Mediterranean or north African, but Isabella speaks with an English accent.
Tevinters speak with mostly English accents, though not the same English accents, even within their families (Dorian & Dad, Alexius & Son).
Free Marchers mostly have various English accents, even though they live between a bunch of other accents, and are not next to either Tevinter or Ferelden, where other English accents are prevalent.
Flemeth speaks with an American accent, though presumably being either Fereldan or an ancient Elf (depending on who's driving the accent), while Morrigan, her daughter, speaks with a generic English accent despite having nearly no interaction with humans other than Flemeth until her adulthood.
Solas, on the other hand, speaks with the Received Pronunciation English accent of some noble Fereldans, Marchers and Tevinters.
i realize i'm talking to people who until a few pages ago didn't know Spain was in Europe, but an "American" accent (even if Davrin has an American one, rather than African) isn't European either, my geographically challenged friendo.
the fact you have to continually straw man this position just shows that i'm right because you aren't equipped to argue the actual position, and why your best input in this thread so far was to call me gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjW8Mq1el3o
The revisionism of the city elf origin in DA:O. :D :D :D :D :D
maybe instead of me having to form an understanding in making sense of your incoherent word salad you could elucidate what you mean with the point of Davrin having a non-European accent rather than bestowing that burden onto me?
wrong, European natives in this context shouldn't have American accents, they should have accents resembling those of Europeans, immigrants such as the Qunari would make sense to have their own accents rather than coincidentally sounding the same like the people who they invaded.
cope, mind you your "it's not African but American" fails under the same argument anyway, so double cope on that.
which continent has American accents again? Par Vollen, is this your new argument that Davrin is from Par Vollen? heh.
empty conjecture, plausible deniability, etc. more of this "maybe he was raised by Africans who aren't established in the Dragon Age lore to begin with"? dear me.
post one lore inaccuracy, i'll wait.
i'm 100% incapable of being offended by someone who uses gay as an insult, the fact you'd go there instead of engaging my argument shows you're a very unserious person, all your posts also reflect that you are unserious. big sad. stick to making snarky remarks and being homophobic, like i said it is more your speed.
quote me one post where i said elves shouldn't be black, i'll wait.
it is pertinent you especially answer the last one since you've been harping on about that being my position even though that's just a lie on your part.
The dwarves and city elves and Inquistors and Flemeths of Par Vollen, with their Par Vollen American accents